The Beatles' Solo Careers Poll - Voting and General Discussion Thread

i think it was fine for ringo to have solo albums, he just didn't seem to realize what he was good at, and/or was struggling with substance abuse to the great detriment of his voice, his judgment, his drumming, or his ability to guide all the friends and well-wishers who showed up each time he had his own album to do

lol this is a delightful sentence

I wonder why that didn't happen, really? Probably just two worlds that were too different, like why would Conway Twitty even think of reaching out to Ringo - I can't really think of anyone in the British rock or American country scenes to serve as that necessary link

Οὖτις: If you want to add James Taylor's "Carolina on My Mind" as my #16 and assign points accordingly, please do. If 16 is too weird a number, don't bother.

We've known, thanks to George and John, for years that being a Beatle for years involved dealing with a kind of PTSD; well, leaving the Beatles was a kind of PTSD too. Paul says he took to the bottle too. For Ringo, who couldn't write songs like the others and had no other life beside being a Beatle, it was worse. He needed help from his friends but the only help he knew how to ask for was musical (also: AA culture hadn't kicked in yet).

lol cross out that first "for years"

really appreciating John's vox on Instant Karma! today, and thinking about how they pretty much single-handedly makes it a classic. the underlying song is pretty pedestrian (other than a few interesting chord changes in the middle of the verses), but the lead voice is so strong and raw and iconic. there's a group of barflies singing behind him, echoed into oblivion like everything else, alan white is playing more forcefully and than ringo ever cared to (with a few exceptions), there are dozens of tambourines, etc, but it's his voice that carries the whole thing.

I disagree that 'Instant Karma!' is pedestrian. Not many people can write a chorus that good.

clemenza - added, no problem

I don't think I've ever heard that before actually, my hatred of James Taylor precluding actually listening to entire albums

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man Instant Karma is incredible, such a punch in the face.

I disagree that 'Instant Karma!' is pedestrian. Not many people can write a chorus that good.

not going to get into a back and forth with you about how the way that i hear the song is incorrect, but i'll just note that i didn't say that 'instant karma' was pedestrian, i said the underlying song was pedestrian. it's the vocal line that is godlike. if you handed the same musical accompaniment to paul or george, i can't imagine them coming up with anything so perfect.

it's structure is pretty simple, true. production and the vocal carry a lot of the weight.

The "vocal line" is a huge part of what makes "the song" the song. I think you mean the simplicity of the backing track rather than the song itself being pedestrian.

can you please help me learn how to say "i like john lennon's singing on that song" in a way that is so semantically unique and pure that no other interpretation could even be considered? because that's what i really mean

the All-Starr band tours make way more sense

― Οὖτις, Friday, May 18, 2018 12:09 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really wish I'd caught one of those early tours, especially the first one. At the time, inexplicably, it didn't strike me as a big deal, but in retrospect, shit -- Levon Helm! Rick Danko! Nils Lofgren! Billy Preston! Dr. John!

I thought about going to see him when he came to town a year or so ago, but in addition to tickets being crazy money, not only was the lineup less than stellar (members of Toto, Men At Work, Journey), I don't think Ringo plays drums on his own at any point in the show -- there's a second drummer throughout. I just wanna hear Ringo, dammit! I always thought it'd be cool if he found some kids and put together a garage band and played clubs, but he seems to really dig the singing/"I'm an Entertainer!" aspect of his tours.

re: Beatle PTSD: this is exactly why "Early 1970" is so compelling.

here's a great ringo cover story https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/being-ringo-star-beatles-cover-story-20150415

lol @ that opening anecdote about Paul

i guess i am listening to every macca album lol. anyway "dear boy" is so good

Play it and "Too Many People" back to back. The latter is so addled that it's funny (i.e. Linda and Paul shouting PIECE OF CAKE).

brad....you don't have to do this. it's not too late!

lmao

who knows i may give up by the first wings record

mccartney is just a sketch but some of those songs are great. ram, i hope this isn't the most ridiculous unwarranted comparison ever, has always sorta seemed like it's what paul thought smile sounded like. even when he's fucking around it's so fun, so simultaneously rickety and ambitious

AND THE WIND PLAYED A DREADFUL
CANTATA

Brad is getting it!

'Dear Boy' is a wonderful song. Lennon somehow thought it was about him, it's actually about Linda's ex-partner!

Sore was I from a crack of an enemy's hose
And the horrible sound of tomato.

^^ this is what a hangover feels like

occurred to me from time to time who each beatle considered their competition, other than Beatles records and each other's 70s shit (its been established that J would closely follow P's chart progress)… I would think Paul would pay close attention to Elton; George to Clapton and other elite guitar players…I listened to best of dark horse from '89 yesterday and some of it sounds like pre-High Life Steve Winwood… who did John listen to? He liked the b-52s, and I guess he did "serve yourself" in response to "Gotta Serve Somebody."

did someone upthread say that dark horse was the druggiest george harrison era? or just the drunkest? i've never really given it much time, but it's true that he just sounds so beat down. the title track could be one of his best songs, but it barely even sounds like him, and his voice is so distant sounding.

Extra Texture is.

I don't mind "Dark Horse" title track at all. The rest is the closest George approximated '70s studio rock hackdom.

xposts to veronica i don't know about competition, but it seems like they'd be keeping tabs on people like paul simon.

Yeah, Extra Texture certainly, but it's hinted at on 'Simply Shady' from Dark Horse, which also features a version of 'Bye Bye Love' with re-written lyrics to refer to Clapton fucking off with his wife. Even more bizarrely Clapton and Patti are both on the song.

George loved keeping it in the family, as shown by his hitting on Maureen.

who knows i may give up by the first wings record

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, May 18, 2018 11:35 AM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hmmm yep

I like this one. George plays all the guitars and keyboards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMj0Tly9Bw

I think McCartney checked everything out, really. Certainly, I can hear a lot of Beach Boys influence, but also some '70s Floyd on a couple of Wings tracks. A little bit of glammy shuffle in places. By the late '70s, I think he'd turned his attention to stuff like Costello and Squeeze. Some synthpop crept in on McCartney II. I get the impression that he always kept an ear on what was going on in black music during the '70s into the early '80s, even if the influence only came out here and there.

who did John listen to?

he referenced Blondie's Heart of Glass as a favorite in a letter to Ringo shortly before he died

Brad, Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway represent a bit of a lull. He gets his shit together again on Band on the Run.

Lennon liked 'Rock Lobster' because of the Yoko influence.

Lennon talking about new wave here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWE3npesaRo

Brad, Wild Life and Red Rose Speedway represent a bit of a lull. He gets his shit together again on Band on the Run.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, May 18, 2018 12:25 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh, i'm aware, it's why i've always skipped directly to band on the run, but i was hoping there'd be... something more here. "wild life" the song is p good though

Sadly, Lennon was robbed of his life before any possible New Wave influence in his music could be felt - like, his songs on Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey are stylistically on the poppier side of Lennon's usual solo songwriting voice, whereas Yoko's tracks are a different story entirely and far more contemporary and exciting to my ears.

this is nuts…round 6:30, you can't believe yr eyes…shot for Back to the Egg, and not long after Keith Moon's demise…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyWzsDm5D_8

I'm really sure that at one point in 'Wild Life' (the song) Paul sings "Aminals in the zoo" ... that'll be the result of the stuff he was growing on his farm, no doubt.

what the individual Beatles were listening to during their solo careers seems like a different question from who they considered their competition to be

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plus we already listed a couple of people various Beatles actively worked with - Elton John, Clapton, (could add Marc Bolan to that list)

it's a little hard to guess since I doubt any of them came out and said "I felt the need to compete with [x], which was really successful and great at the time", that doesn't seem like their style. Plus they were all in the rare position of being able to co-opt any competition they liked, since anyone and everyone would have killed to work with a Beatle.

At the same time, the press were constantly on the lookout for the "next Beatles", whether it was T. Rexstacy or showering Zeppelin with questions about whether they could fill the void left by the Beatles etc.

actually side b of wild life is much better than side a. i love "tomorrow." is this the primary experience of macca's solo discog, "this is so tiresome -> wait some of this is actually p great"

the reverse