Madonna: Classic Or Dud

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Happy birthday, girl. I love this interview: https://www.advocate.com/news/2007/07/23/madonna-x-rated-interview

One of the things that was a big influence on me was the 'stuff' about gay culture she brought to the mainstream. A lot of it was her brother Christopher's idea of course (the dancing, the staging at shows, the costumes..), but hers too and she had to sell it, put the ideas across. Specifically because of her I found out who Keith Haring was, who Herb Ritts was, and thanks to Truth Or Dare (which miraculously I saw at the local cinema during its 1-week run) i heard people chant "We're here, we're queer, GET USED TO IT!" for the first time. In fact the moment in that film with the downtown New York Pride parade and her dancers having a 'minute's silence' is the first time i'd seen ANY thing even remotely like that anywhere. It was as powerful and important and alien and special to me growing up in dark-ages 80s/early 90s Northern England as you could imagine, because in Britain that kind of moment, that kind of message or image just wasn't seen in the mainstream at all. It's not the sort of thing i feel i can talk about anywhere else even(Facebook etc) and i'm not making myself clear possibly, but you guys will know what I mean i think.

totally

beautiful post piscesx

<3

Met Gala video finally up today

https://youtu.be/jVgE45ZYTfw

Maura has a thing up on Pitchfork about the best books about Madonna. The Rettenmund one sounds fun.

Someone write a 33 1/3 on her already!

Yes piscesx! Her confidence, her strenght, her message of being your true self. She was the big sister I always wish I had. Her songs were great too, obviously. Happy 60th M !

I'm fascinated by the potential Thanksgiving dinners enabled by her sister Melanie, who is married to Joe Henry, used to manage Daniel Lanois and is now a (not terrible) visual artist focusing on textiles.

http://www.melaniemariaciccone.com

Am I nuts or was there a 33 1/3 in the works about Erotica?

Can there be a 33 1/3 in the works about Erotica?

I'd totally read a 33 1/3 on Erotica!

OK, who here is going to pitch it during the next round?

It surprises me to realise I haven't already written a 33 1/3 about Erotica.

What if we pitched an gaylxor omnibus 33 1/3 of Erotica?

signing myself up early to write the extremely meta chapter on "words"

if the erotica 33 1/3 doesn't contain "flamenco drop" it's not valid

OTFM

Flamenco drop is what I do on the dance floor when “Deeper & Deeper” comes on.

exactly

Madonna>erotica>bedtime stories>Ray of light>true blue>like a Virgin>like a prayer>confessions on a dancefloor>American Life>have no idea about the others

Like a Prayer = Erotica
> True Blue > Ray of Light > Music > Bedtime Stories > Madonna > Like a Virgin > Confessions on a Dancefloor > American Life

Forgot to add fuiud

I will never get the enduring ILM love for Erotica. It disappointed me then, and I've never had cause to readjust my reaction.

Yeah, few albums cause more HUH responses from Madonna fans than when I admit I love Erotica.

It doesn't automatically wow on first listen as, say, Like a Prayer does - it's a touch less immediate. However, repeated exposure to the album opens it up.

Deeper and deeper is also maybe her best song (not really that's borderline!)

'Deeper and Deeper' is an all-time favourite of mine, but 'Bad Girl' is the one from Erotica - just pure ear candy.

Speaking of flamenco, my friend knows the session dude that did the Spanish guitar on "La Isla Bonita." He said it was just another session and he didn't think much of it ... until he learned he got a writing credit. Apparently the royalties were immediately enough to buy a house in LA.

Amazing stuff here, a docu from the late 90s; she wanders around her ‘80s NY haunts with Rupert Everett, bumps into some old neighbours, tells a few fine tales, freaks people out, talks about being skint..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO2vYafZ3sY

my friend knows the session dude that did the Spanish guitar on "La Isla Bonita." He said it was just another session and he didn't think much of it ... until he learned he got a writing credit.

Bruce Gaitsch? Yeah, he's an L.A. session cat.

This was his big ticket to LA, I think. He did a lot of stuff with Richard Marx.

!!!

I've mentioned this anecdote earlier but it's worth sharing again. Bassist Guy Pratt with a rare anecdote about what she's like in the studio, here recording "Like a Prayer":

Pratt recalled that after the middle chorus was recorded, she notified the musicians of some changes in the production. "Jonathan, do less of the high-hat in the middle eight, and more of a fill towards the end. Guy, I want duck eggs [semibreves] on the end, and Chester, bring in your guitar on the second verse," she instructed

The bassline on 'Like a Prayer' (the album version not the Immaculate Collection remake) is fucking amazing.

I thought that one was Randy Jackson.

Bassist Guy Pratt with a rare anecdote about what she's like in the studio

Pratt had a solid five minutes in his first stand-up show about her as boss and person

obviously a horrible person; also kind of a dope

https://deadline.com/2018/08/mtv-vmas-madonnas-aretha-franklin-tribute-backlash-1202448989/

Honestly who else were they going to get? You really wanted Jessie J to honk her way through "Respect" or J. Lo to not hit the votes on "Natural Woman"?

Like maybe the move was to not have a tribute at all, or to have some sort of thing a la the Oscars so they could also mention Avicii (more relevant to the MTV demo) or Tom Petty (Video Vanguard winner who actually got played on MTV for more than, what, two or three years)

It might have been a bad speech! But everyone being like "ugh why HER" is being ahistorical at best

Anyone seen this doc? TVO (in Canada) is airing it this coming weekend. I'm curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BuM2hMNmVM

What if we pitched an gaylxor omnibus 33 1/3 of /Erotica/?

Definitely worth watching. It really focuses on the dancers and is not trying to make it all about Madonna, really, which is good.

xp

xp still the best idea i've ever seeded here

give me the "words" chapter

signing myself up early to write the extremely meta chapter on "words"

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:15 PM (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm gonna make this joke every time until it happens

lex gets "Deeper and Deeper"

I want "Thief of Hearts"

I'd be up for it! Even just an unofficial set of pieces on the album.

If done by song then I'd want "Waiting" or "Bad Girl" (assuming "Deeper & Deeper" is taken).

I get "Waiting" or the awesome task of defending "Why's It So Hard"