Autechre - Amber

those ones aren't so bad. take out the "mx" and the numbers (which correspond to the % of the EP they take up) and you have a fairly normal tracklisting..."Garbage", "PIOB", "Bronchus Seven", and "VLetr"

And "Bronchus 7" refers to the seventh mix of "Bronchus," and in fact, I know of 3 other "Bronchus" mixes that've been released, which means of course we'll need to poll them.

Whether or not they went on to go more "advanced" is a bit of a misnomer anyway - "abrasive" yes, with new plugins yes.

― Siegbran, Friday, May 4, 2018 10:16 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with this but i don't know how to broach without incurring the wrath of all the autechre fanboyz here

if youre looking for more early autechre type stuff, the late 90s/early 00s saw a TON of copyists.. check the Merck label for example... or like the first Arovane album?

I think I get where Vahid is coming from on this. If you take a synchronic slice of "electronic music" at any given point in time in the nineties then Autechre seem to be "on trend" more than out on their own. I don't think this is actually more true of Amber than the later material, it's just that Amber (and certainly Incunabula) can be more easily situated within a 'scene', whereas by Tri Repetae what had been ambient techno was going in a bunch of different directions - but that doesn't mean the latter album doesn't basically sound like the beat construction of Orbital's "Sad But True" crossed with the sound of LFO circa "Tied Up" and the mood of FSOL's ISDN.

None of which is to detract from how great an album Tri Repetae is - as with Amber, part of its greatness stems from how Autechre were exploring so many possible directions in tandem with a lot of different producers and carving out their own distinct sound within what was a dense field of innovation and cross-pollination.

Fwiw, I can remember back in the dark days of ilx starting a thread that was "tearjerking techno" top 100 or some such. And started off with Microlovr and Dexter and then people started posting things that were not techno and were "tearjerking" because they had sad lyrics, which wasn't my intention for the thread at all. My intention was to think about very emotional techno (without lyrics/vocals) and I remember the late great getting annoyed about that. I was too, actually. It's quite tangential but I do think that Ae in this stage were making sometimes "tearjerking techno" and I still yearn for more of that. Maybe that's what tlg is getting at. I think, maybe it is.

It's what I still yearn for. I wouldn't find it with the current iteration of Ae though.

Not that I want to project what tlg is getting at

garbage is supremely sad

It is.

latentcall from elseq gives me a similar feeling and has jerked a tear or two from me.

it's so crazy to think it's been 24 years since amber. that's equivalent to 1974-1998!

None of which is to detract from how great an album Tri Repetae is - as with Amber, part of its greatness stems from how Autechre were exploring so many possible directions in tandem with a lot of different producers and carving out their own distinct sound within what was a dense field of innovation and cross-pollination.

― Tim F, Friday, May 4, 2018 4:54 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tim otm

it’s not necessarily that i think autechre were “advanced” at this point in their career as much as amber as a whole accesses a v specific mood for me. it’s definitely connected to other contemporaneous dance music but it’s special via the particular approach

This was my favorite AE album and in some ways probably still is. These days the old FM patches grate a little and I wonder why nobody else points out that a lot of the tracks don’t “go” anywhere but that’s probably more about how I’ve changed and not about this record.

going places is overrated

Also how come someone on this thread is asking for other IDM albums from this time frame that sound like this and nobody said B12

“Nine” is basically straight off Time Tourist ffs

true but i didn’t bring it up because time tourist was two years after amber

i’m listening to rihanna needed me at the taco shop and it sounds like she’s singing over autechre

if you want a straightfaced recommendation for “sounds just like amber” it’s not going to be 100% easy because they nicely carved out a niche for themselves - there’s a lot of darker ambient electro from the era that dhares the atmospheres and synths but not the beats, there’s plenty of stuff with the intricate beats but the atmospherics are different (b12 would fit here). the closest i can think of is higher intelligence agency but that doesn’t have the steel grey aesthetic ... so yeah, reiterating my sense that the most special thing about autechre is their manipulation of mood and atmosphere

dhares = has

torta fingers

if you want a straightfaced recommendation for “sounds just like amber” it’s not going to be 100% easy because they nicely carved out a niche for themselves

hm sounds pretty advanced

Whether or not they went on to go more "advanced" is a bit of a misnomer anyway - "abrasive" yes, with new plugins yes.

― Siegbran, Friday, May 4, 2018 10:16 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with this but i don't know how to broach without incurring the wrath of all the autechre fanboyz here

it wasn't so much new plugins as it was gradually moving to max/msp and an object-oriented programming approach to composition though, right? at least that's how i always think of their transition from more conventionally arranged music of the amber era to their amoebic morphing (but always readily identifiable as autechre) recent music.

I haven't heard torta fingers fwiw but I trust you.

ah yes i forgot that these two guys making syncopated industrial with delay units are such an important totem that bringing up other artists not named Richard is just silly I mean why bother

dhares = has Was a banger tho.

The niche was carved in Tri Repetae / Garbage / Anvil Vapre - Amber is not as special for its time as some people are making it out to be

i don’t really think we’re making it out to be special

unless oh damn, these dudes aren’t special!!!

tlg just paused mid-sandwich to explain how nothing else sounds like this record

jeez dude take a chill pill

you’re a special and valuable person, whether or not the music you like is

that is not tlg’s point at all

tombot u mean richard h kirk right?

i’m just confused about why we have to spend so much time determining why autechre is not special especially during this record

i’d be totally fine with talking about contemporaneous work if it wasn’t framed with this bullshit

because rockism must be crushed

serious answer because determining why they’re not special helps us determine how they are unique

:O

also “we” don’t have to spend time doing anything, you can either FP or killfile or even talk about something more interesting to you if you don’t like my line of inquiry

lol i mean honestly i’m relatively new to *loving* autechre so it’s not like i have any actual input so sorry

listening to amber now it feels a little stiff and incoherent to me (not unlike some recent posts by old guys in this thread, woah!). they aren't more advanced now but they're definitely more relaxed.

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karl otm except thery’re not really ahead of the curve w the techniques so much as they’ve just devoted a lot of time (like a lot a lot) to refining the techniques

and ended up w something people find relatively ... accessible?

they’ve just devoted a lot of time (like a lot a lot) to refining the techniques

like how i feel about death metal, this is honestly better to me than.. idk, “new” techniques, whatever those are

for taerjerking Ae I turn to "rae"

i’m not really into cutting edge production myself

people have been making music like nu autechre for a while now though (50 years?)

I feel like this was of a piece with a lot of IDM in the early & mid-nineties and the main things that really separate it are the absence of any 4/4 bass drum and the way things kinda meander instead of following the buildups & breakdowns arrangement rules of the time.

I voted Nine because it sounds like Eutow’s parent.

i think that’s why people always compare it to machines that are running by themselves

people have been making music like nu autechre for a while now though (50 years?)

― the late great, Friday, May 4, 2018 9:07 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok gimme a digest

it's pretty cool to see these different takes in one place - new fan discovering the old magic, old fan going hard on the old magic, drunk guy. i really responded to the 90s stuff for many years (still after the fact tho) and lost the thread after "gantz graf." but elseq came out and now more than 15 years later i'm a johnny come lately to everything they've been doing, probably to the annoyance of lowell, ledge and others.

one thing i really don't agree with or like is the evolutionary, technique-driven timeline that has been beaten into the ground with talk of upgrades and the vanguard and so forth. i think it obscures what has really happened with two people who have been making visionary music for this long -- they eventually found techniques that matched what they wanted to do all along and what they were actually doing earlier within certain constraints of equipment. and now there's a richness and self-assuredness to the music that they've been developing for much longer with a particular toolset than any toolset they used in the first ten years that feels more mature, broad, wicked, funny, dynamic, relaxed, exciting, basically everything good about musicians whose well doesn't run dry.

that is a great post map

xp digest away

http://www.discogs.com/label/58423-Prospective-21e-Siècle