Kanye West's new 2018 album

He's not even top 5 rap producers material imo

Maybe top 5 jackasses?

For the record, I do believe he is a great musical artist, up until Yeezus I did enjoy his records a lot, and maybe he is a great designer I don’t know that stuff. However, everytime he is on the same line as Einstein or Picasso, it just makes me barf.

Also to add to the broader idea of that great piece: I have no statistics to back this up this is really just ime, but I have a feeling that there is huge overlap on that venn diagram between sexual assaulter and people socially perceived as geniuses (can be in smaller spheres than national fame that a Kanye or a Woody are granted)

his shoes look some space macrame ass

Psh, shows you, all genius looks like ass.

TNC: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/05/im-not-black-im-kanye/559763/

great piece

v good indeed, though the praise of the the consistent, amazing, near-peerless quality of [Kanye's] work feels off to me

Is it fair to say that Kanye West is the first black hip-hop artist who truly crossover-ed to a white audience from really early in his career? And that it might be that this audience and his desire to cultivate that very audience might have informed his career in ways that it didn't for other hip-hop artists, past and present?

that's not the case

Little Stevie Wonder wants a word with you

Is it fair to say that Kanye West is the first black hip-hop artist who truly crossover-ed to a white audience from really early in his career?

nah. NWA springs to mind.

literally any hip hop artist who has sold a lot of records has crossed over to a white audience

true, but it took Run DMC three albums to get there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/He's_the_DJ,_I'm_the_Rapper

hai djp! :)

missed you

Kanye's work has not been consistent in years and if anything it's been way below his peers. The article puts everything in context except the meandering quality of Kanye's latter day musical output.

Might be forgetting that estimations on ilm of his more recent albums tend to be completely out of sync with the critical consensus and probably even more-so with his fans.

also he has no 'peers' except maybe pharell? and of the two of them ye's recent output has been clearly more essench

Yeah interesting to think of Kanye in terms of peers, cause the people that come to mind for me would be like T-Pain, Drake and 50 Cent but all for very different reasons.

World class producer (arranger in particular), even his legacy alone puts him in top 5 of all time. But that didn't mitigate his last couple of albums much, which were full of his marginal flow and unremarkable lyrics. If TNC had been more concise about what he was talking about w/r to his peers, then I'd give him a pass. But instead TNC trots out the hagiographical profile of Kanye, the one that is straight from Ye's mouth. He hints of Ye's 20 year career but doesn't note that the back half, or certainly the last five years, have been troubling on a number of levels. It didn't seem like he watched the interview with Charlamagne, where Kanye seemed nearly delusional and unconvincing.

can people stop saying Ye?

By peers he means hip hop artists I don’t think its complicated.

I admit that I’m having trouble reconciling “peerless talent who has towered above the competition for the past 20 years” with the dude who rapped “MJ’s gone/Our nigga dead” on one of his 2010 singles

maybe "peerless" means "willfully blind" there

I admit that I’m having trouble reconciling “peerless talent who has towered above the competition for the past 20 years” with the dude who rapped “MJ’s gone/Our nigga dead” on one of his 2010 singles

― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 3:04 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

TNC doesn't have trouble doing that and it's fine different strokes for different folks.

1) that line is hilarious and always has been 2) no I don't just consider any other hip hop artist kanye peer when you take into account what a legitimately groundbreaking producer he is, who has opened up many spaces in pop music, tons of hits, tons of range, him being a great artist on his own merit is an on top of that already major legit achievement. Who else is on that level?

you might have to go back to mj tbh

Dre and Jay-Z are absolutely his peers.

lol @ that nonsensical hyperbole

xxp

sorry y'all are wrong here and I'ma chalk it up to not understanding how wildly different being a top artist vs being a top producer is. doing both on the level he has is not trivial

its so freaking besides the point TNC wants to make I can't believe this is being seriously discussed.

I'll grant there's not a lot of rapper/producers that are successful at his level. he's a pretty shitty rapper though.

its so freaking besides the point TNC wants to make I can't believe this is being seriously discussed.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 3:45 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its so freaking besides the point TNC wants to make I can't believe this is being seriously discussed.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 3:45 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 5:23 PM

Might be forgetting that estimations on ilm of his more recent albums tend to be completely out of sync with the critical consensus and probably even more-so with his fans.

― tsrobodo, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 12:29 AM (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

is ilm not that keen on recent kanye? because irl everyone loves yeezus

Kanye's not yet a monotheistic religion.

coatesism however

I admit that I’m having trouble reconciling “peerless talent who has towered above the competition for the past 20 years” with the dude who rapped “MJ’s gone/Our nigga dead” on one of his 2010 singles

― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 3:04 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unfortunately not even close to kanye’s worst MJ-related lyric

Yeezus is probably the ultimate litmus test for 'lyrics person' vs 'the voice is just an instrument, I don't hear words' person

(I still love it, it's an incredible collection of producers, and use of them)

Nah you can be that guy and sometimes still balk at lyrics.

I want so badly for Blood on the Leaves to make sense, that beat is incredible. The sentiment of Strange Fruit + the anger in the horns is almost cathartic.

As it plays I can't help but think what kind of vacuous moron takes that of all samples, flips it that well and uses it to make that song?

I think that for me the beats on Yeezus are so incredible that I'll excuse/ignore almost anything. But worse beats on TLOP + even dumber lyrics = can't do it.

the Blood on the Leaves beat is p good (feel like those horn stabs are p rote myself, that pattern's been used to death), the sentiment and lyrics and everything else about it are garbage. thaaaaat's kanye!

Might be forgetting that estimations on ilm of his more recent albums tend to be completely out of sync with the critical consensus and probably even more-so with his fans.

― tsrobodo, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 12:29 AM (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, May 8, 2018 4:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So, is the ILM consensus more or less positive than these hypothetical salt o' my earth of you ppl everyman fans?

commercial rap stations in my town don't play much kanye and it's probably never that new (save for all day)

there are some great songs on TLOP - Real Friends, 30 Hours, Ultralight Beam, No More Parties in LA, Wolves, Feedback, Fade - and I like the messy double album sprawl feeling of it all. Like I Love Kanye is a track that obviously would never be on a single album, I love weird little bits/castoffs/half-baked ideas like that. Having said all that it's not even close to Yeezus, where the lyrics are wildly offensive, but I think it works as this completely deranged half hour screed. It's just such a thrilling album to listen to.

(feel like those horn stabs are p rote myself, that pattern's been used to death)

At least Hudmo/TNGHT were partly responsible for popularizing it though

Man that Coates piece brought me to the brink of tears multiple times.