to clarify, I meant critical rebuttals and ongoing conversation from staff and contributors
never comments
― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
Ah gotcha
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link
if they really fucked up and assigned a low score to an album that's universally loved it could have an editor apologizing in an escalating manner about how they wish they could delete the original score but the database doesn't work that way
― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
waiting for the 10.0 redress for the original review of her eponymous 2003 album.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
I was just gonna ask – is Phair the only artist to have received both a 0.0 and a 10.0 from the Fork? Inquiring minds wanna know
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:14 (six years ago) link
To answer my own question – I see “Daydream Nation” was granted a retrospective 10.0 (and that article upthread says “NYC Ghosts...” got 0.0).
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
Flaming Lips too! Zaireeka got a 0.0 and Soft Bulletin got a 10.0.
― jmm, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:26 (six years ago) link
The guy resented having to buy three more CD players, iirc.
― jmm, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
he had no friends for borrowing, a 0.0 tragedy
― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:32 (six years ago) link
0.0 friends.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
Zaireeka was pretty fuckin cool, my friend had a party where he had 4 CD players, lot of work but it was a good gimmick
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
tbh we should have been warned at that point or before that they were always in search of gimmicks and maybe pitchfork caught that
― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:41 (six years ago) link
zaireeka tour was cool, boombox army from the audience onstage
― j., Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:47 (six years ago) link
lol
aren't there albums every year that end up in P4k's top 50 that didn't receive an 8+ score or BNM? I don't think this means much, even for them
― Dan S, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:47 (six years ago) link
there has to be at least one act that's released an album before march before their summer tour wasn't locked-in, got jettisoned by pitchfork when their main demographic is venues who book in that vein, that never got near the year-end list because they didn't have a popular summer tour
probably just one because that's a confluence of events but
― mh, Thursday, 3 May 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
hahaha!
― Dan S, Thursday, 3 May 2018 02:05 (six years ago) link
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark
i held one of these at the 40 Watt in Athens GA. we had huge PA speakers setup with the 4 cd players and opening bands and stuff. it was really awesome (tho i think most people had dipped out by the main event to get high somewhere). "Riding to Work in the Year 2525" and ""The Train Runs Over the Camel But Is Derailed by the Gnat" are as good as anything on The Soft Bulletin
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 11:48 (six years ago) link
Eazy Duz It came out at the same time as SoC
yeah but much of Compton is re-recordings and electro interregnum leftovers, Eazy-Duz-It is a step forward in terms of Dre producing a cohesive album, live arrangements, etc
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 3 May 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
truactually listened to DOC and it's still amazing but maybe not an evolutionary step so much as a sidestep, dre making an album with a more east coast feel, or merging current east coast stuff with a west coast vibe
Livin Like Hustlers probably feels the most like a step towards the Chronic now
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
high five: The Last Song totally sounds like a proto-Chronic jam.
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
i'm still waiting for the day when i can find an affordable copy of uncle sam's curse. by above the law. on vinyl OR cd. it hasn't happened yet.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 May 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
the ABBA thing today is so bad, jeez
― flopson, Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
skimmed, landed on this sentence, wtf:
This is how ideology works: by presenting a convincing, sometimes disingenuous account of your culture and identity.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
this piece is straight bonkers!
i took the headline "A band beyond taste" as an indication that it would be more bullshit narrative wankery that is 100% about rock criticism and 0% about music.
ABBA rules because it's songs rule, this is why they are huge. taste has nothing to do w it.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
seeing "The Pitch" right under the headline = skip this article
:'(
― tylerw, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
I like the detail of the writer being this jaded/cool at age "6 or 7":
When “Dancing Queen” kicked in, my response was not active resistance but ambient distaste. Sounds like a classic, I thought, instantly forgetting it existed.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
ABBA is one of those bands that I admire/respect in theory but never, ever have the urge to actually listen to
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
mostly listen to ABBA when I feel like dancing but also sometimes when I really wanna rock out to this jamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf7xZhzgF7A
― niels, Thursday, 3 May 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
my favourite ABBA atm is ‘Eagle’ which I only recently realised sounds like it could’ve been made by some obscure folk rock band like Trees or Mellow Candle or someone
― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Thursday, 3 May 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
When I was 6 or 7 I loved pretty much any song I was listening too.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 May 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
dancing queen is the pinnacle of all pop music. it's scary, almost psychedelic
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 May 2018 05:12 (six years ago) link
Zaireeka rules. Played it with 3 at my buddies - dove tailed into a k hole and called it a day. Deserves a 8 at least
― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:14 (six years ago) link
Best ABBA is solider
― done and dusted (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 05:15 (six years ago) link
“Ring Ring” or gtfo
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 4 May 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/what-chelsea-manning-is-listening-to-right-now/
I’m, uh...not sure of what to make of the fact that this exists.
― triggercut, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
This was on a playlist I made in 2015 [while in prison]
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
🤔
http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/40063/1/how-reviews-affect-artists-mental-health
― Frozen CD, Friday, 18 May 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
this piece is bad
― maura, Friday, 18 May 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link
leavebritneyalone.mp4
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link
That is a weird article and I read nothing but weird responses to it after it was posted yesterday.
I think it's a good line of query but that article was missing all the targets, a little more focus and research would've been useful
i.e. There is a neurological reason as to why "creative" people struggle with perceptions of their selfhood, and why commentary-- not just professional reviews, but Youtube comments, random tweets, and off-hand comments from family members at Thanksgiving dinner-- tends to cause an inordinate amount of internal upheaval. It's been studied and it could have been researched and commented upon.
or, i.e. There is also a tendency in music writers to, essentially, write like toxic fans. There is less an engagement with the work, and more of a desire to exert control over the artist who created it-- or a desire to assert one's own selfhood in the criticism. Sometimes music writers transcend this?
My favourite song is when a music writer/critic finally releases their long-awaited first book and then has "an emotional moment" on Facebook because they've never had to face criticism-of-their-work before. Suddenly, these new authors realize that their prospective readers are not only interacting with their talent and viewpoint, but also responding to their appearance, their age, their id, their history of poorly-chosen words, the circumstances of their book's release, comparison to other similar books, commentary on the jacket and blurbs, remarks about the author's family history, remarks about what the critic had to eat before they read the book, or mutual friends with the author that the critic happens to know (and attendant anecdotes), and then the first-time author feels shocked and appalled that a commentator might be judging them based on criteria beyond their control. It's my favourite song! despite my love and care for these writers/authors it feels somewhat vindicating to be like "you see? you see how crazy it is to 'make work you're proud of' but then have that work be subject to 'judgement of your selfhood'?"
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:44 (six years ago) link
r, i.e. There is also a tendency in music writers to, essentially, write like toxic fans. There is less an engagement with the work, and more of a desire to exert control over the artist who created it-- or a desire to assert one's own selfhood in the criticism. Sometimes music writers transcend this?
It's a tendency that goes back further, I think. When I was younger I was enraptured with Oscar Wilde's "The Critic as Artist," in which he asserted (among many other things) that the artist exists for the critic, not the other way around.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
I think the article had a lot of good points to make about all the clueless white know-nothings running amok in our improbable media bubble, but the fact that this piece somehow conflates that with a mental health problem is what makes the article v strange. I think if it was just called Music Writing Sucks Now, it would have hit its target, but (and, let's be clear, I blame an editor, not the writer) it was shoehorned into a box for MENTAL HEALTH WEEK on DAZED DIGITAL.
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
clueless white know-nothings running amok
does this fail to describe any age of music writing
they've never had to face criticism-of-their-work before
at first i was like “how is this even possible anymore” but then i suppose the public event of putting out a book is more comparable to putting out an album than writing a piece that got withering twitter comments
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:56 (six years ago) link
xp @ Alfred lol I hate that essay. Wilde plays all the same rhetorical games that J*rdan P*terson does. Drop an unresearched stinkbomb, proclaim the idea to be dangerous "ah but are not all ideas dangerous?" then grow weary of the discourse and propose instead that we look at the roses and the amaranth as the sun rises
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 18 May 2018 12:57 (six years ago) link
@ Brad ya it's a very specific experience! It is uniquely dehumanizing
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:02 (six years ago) link
@ Whiney there is a distinct connection between "the creative act" and "a mental health phenomenon"-- one that I've only learned about casually in therapy and online reading-- but has been described to me as the link between "creative states" and "manic states" in people with bipolar disorder. In a sentence: it is hard for creative people to hold on to any fact and believe it to be actually true; they will flip-flop, second-guess themselves, redefine their relationship-to-their-self. But yeah, that article was not about that
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
it is hard for creative people to hold on to any fact and believe it to be actually true; they will flip-flop, second-guess themselves, redefine their relationship-to-their-self
kinda ot, but it was nice to see this written out, not to make this about my own horseshit but i’ve been kinda locked inside this dynamic lately, so thank you fgti
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
My therapist (background in neurology) told me that there is a part of the brain whose job it is to decide what is "true" and what is "false"-- creative people, people with bipolar symptoms, and people with full-blown bipolar disorder? this part of the brain underperforms. It can create unstable relationships to one's selfhood, cause rumination (constantly replaying events to try and re-establish the accuracy of conclusions one has already arrived at), and-- most importantly-- drive a person toward being creative, conceiving of things that are not but could be? or something. It's all the same brain thing
― nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 18 May 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link