pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

we need to con someone into an ilx awards sponsorship so we can all just go somewhere to have steak and cocktails imo

it should really just be called the popular music hall of fame, thank you for taking the time to read this insightful post

alfred i'd be honored if you would give my induction speech you will get your meal comp'd and get to meet jeff ament from pearl jam that's my promise to you

Most bullshit part of that NWA thing is that Niggaz4life is probably a better album than Straight Outta Compton. And wasn't NWA & The Posse the first official release?

niggaz4life had a studio budget but does not have any good songs. NWA & The Posse is a re-release of their first single, with 8 songs by other acts added to it to become a compilation album.

dude gets extremely mad at the inducted Rolling Stones members including founder Ian Stewart, because Andrew Loog Oldham thought he wasn't fuckable enough, but not at including three separate rhythm guitarists from different lineups. "It seems obvious to me that the Stones insisted on it and the hall didn’t have the balls to say no." lol

later on he gets repeatedly indignant about one of Pearl Jam's several drummers not being inducted*, then objects to Robert Trujillo being in for Metallica, but not to Dave Mustaine being out.

*elsewhere he slags off another one of the Pearl Jam drummers without mention of his earlier vendetta, for having been inducted, as a former member of another band.


Melle Mel's name is mispelled, above a blurb about respect for the Furious Five being faked.


He is now a rock elder, not exactly pompous but a little overeager to share his (intelligent but numerous) thoughts about anything.

you just wrote 214 opinions about rock musicians


Johnny Cash (1992)

A gracious albeit haunted presence to the end.

vs

Ray Charles (1986)

A graceful, elegant presence over decades.

weird that he or the Hall go with eg 'Joseph "Grandmaster Flash" Saddler', but not 'Paul "Bono Vox" Hewson'


With lots of help from producer Rick Rubin, they made their mark with extreme brattiness married to highly artful and meaningful samples

uh sure

Mnemonic device: The guy who doesn’t have a beard is named Beard.

he has had a beard for years now

LL Cool J. ... But I don’t believe a word he says in any other track he’s ever recorded.

oh I ABSOLUTELY believe that "Bikini: small. Heels: tall."

Lots of these blurbs are kinda fun though, and I like the actual HOF history seeded throughout.

niggaz4life had a studio budget but does not have any good songs.

truth

LL Cool J is the type of guy to say the puddin' is delicious I stake my life on it

niggaz4life was huge for a minute but out of all the massive rap albums from that time, it's aged the worst for so many reasons imo. it sounds like a really awkward halfway point between SOC and The Chronic, i mean i get the style it was going for but i don't think it's good. I'm kind of agnostic on the post-NWA Dre sound anyway, idk.

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LL Cool J rules

who are these ladies and why would anyone think james is cool? such falsehoods

niggaz4life was huge for a minute but out of all the massive rap albums from that time, it's aged the worst for so many reasons imo. it sounds like a really awkward halfway point between SOC and The Chronic, i mean i get the style it was going for but i don't think it's good. I'm kind of agnostic on the post-NWA Dre sound anyway, idk.

― omar little, Wednesday, May 2, 2018 2:31 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The DOC's No One Can Do It Better is the missing link here, better than N4L or SOC

i listened to mama said knock you out and that album really holds up very well

farmers blvd is so funky

The DOC's No One Can Do It Better is the missing link here, better than N4L or SOC

kinda true but Eazy-Duz-It, Livin' Like Hustlers, Supersonic, the Michel'le album, and We're All In The Same Gang (plus 100 Miles & Runnin', which is great) are all in that missing link period too, dude was developing his skills and working in a range of styles. The Last Song totally sounds like a proto-Chronic jam.

I also adore how he sticks in a dig at Daryl Hall and John Oates when possible; those digs are as frequent the Roxy endorsements.

everything is dulcet

Wait, was that a joke, or does that writer really dismiss LL? That's the downside of being a young prodigy, by the time you make it to the halfway mark people start forgetting why you were practically legendary from the start. It would be like dismissing Big Daddy Kane as a hack best known for posing in Playgirl and appearing in Meteor Man.

writer is 57, doesn't actually understand rap at all except from a rock dude perspective, and paid absolutely no attention to it at any point other than reading the talking points of others

maybe uncharitable but it explains a lot

he's also got this interesting thing where he cautiously avoids being too sexist about women on the list but throws out quotes about dicks right at the start

wyman’s led zep list is the gold standard for bad cock metaphors for guitar riffs

'Joseph "Grandmaster Flash" Saddler', but not 'Paul "Bono Vox" Hewson'

what's their stance on david "david bowie" jones?

Or Bob "LL" Dylan?

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I haven't heard the Janelle Monae record yet but a 7.7 seems like a good score not a bad score?

it's .4 below the threshold of actual critical success or something

I feel like scheduled publications could just do a "best new music" "check it out" and then a general reviews section with comments, maybe a little section for critical reassessment -- possibly as soon as the next issue! -- but pitchfork releasing reviews as things come out in sort-of-realtime means scores draw attention

then again, most monthly publications have done the score thing month-over-month but there's no feedback channel and limited space. I have no idea why someone hasn't done a website with that tiered idea plus a feedback boiler on the side. You could have all the sections on the front page, with them limited to the most recent contributions to each

if they were really rude there could be a "don't check it out" below the general reviews

Xxxxpost Eazy Duz It came out at the same time as SoC

One of the best things about Pfork (and I say this w/complete sincerity) is the lack of any Comments section. God I hope they never add one!

Just saw the Liz Phair set got a 10.0. This is a case where the score seems higher than the degree of enthusiasm expressed in the review (tho it’s a v appreciative review).

to clarify, I meant critical rebuttals and ongoing conversation from staff and contributors

never comments

Ah gotcha

if they really fucked up and assigned a low score to an album that's universally loved it could have an editor apologizing in an escalating manner about how they wish they could delete the original score but the database doesn't work that way

waiting for the 10.0 redress for the original review of her eponymous 2003 album.

I was just gonna ask – is Phair the only artist to have received both a 0.0 and a 10.0 from the Fork? Inquiring minds wanna know

To answer my own question – I see “Daydream Nation” was granted a retrospective 10.0 (and that article upthread says “NYC Ghosts...” got 0.0).

Flaming Lips too! Zaireeka got a 0.0 and Soft Bulletin got a 10.0.

The guy resented having to buy three more CD players, iirc.

he had no friends for borrowing, a 0.0 tragedy

0.0 friends.

Zaireeka was pretty fuckin cool, my friend had a party where he had 4 CD players, lot of work but it was a good gimmick

tbh we should have been warned at that point or before that they were always in search of gimmicks and maybe pitchfork caught that

zaireeka tour was cool, boombox army from the audience onstage

lol

aren't there albums every year that end up in P4k's top 50 that didn't receive an 8+ score or BNM? I don't think this means much, even for them

there has to be at least one act that's released an album before march before their summer tour wasn't locked-in, got jettisoned by pitchfork when their main demographic is venues who book in that vein, that never got near the year-end list because they didn't have a popular summer tour

probably just one because that's a confluence of events but

hahaha!

Zaireeka was pretty fuckin cool, my friend had a party where he had 4 CD players, lot of work but it was a good gimmick

― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark

i held one of these at the 40 Watt in Athens GA. we had huge PA speakers setup with the 4 cd players and opening bands and stuff. it was really awesome (tho i think most people had dipped out by the main event to get high somewhere). "Riding to Work in the Year 2525" and ""The Train Runs Over the Camel But Is Derailed by the Gnat" are as good as anything on The Soft Bulletin

Eazy Duz It came out at the same time as SoC

yeah but much of Compton is re-recordings and electro interregnum leftovers, Eazy-Duz-It is a step forward in terms of Dre producing a cohesive album, live arrangements, etc

tru
actually listened to DOC and it's still amazing but maybe not an evolutionary step so much as a sidestep, dre making an album with a more east coast feel, or merging current east coast stuff with a west coast vibe

Livin Like Hustlers probably feels the most like a step towards the Chronic now

high five: The Last Song totally sounds like a proto-Chronic jam.

i'm still waiting for the day when i can find an affordable copy of uncle sam's curse. by above the law. on vinyl OR cd. it hasn't happened yet.

the ABBA thing today is so bad, jeez

skimmed, landed on this sentence, wtf:

This is how ideology works: by presenting a convincing, sometimes disingenuous account of your culture and identity.