Bang Bang You're Dead... POLL In Your Head - ILM Artist Poll #87 - SMASHING PUMPKINS - Results

1. Thru the Eyes of Ruby
2. Today
3. 1979
4. Here is No Why
5. Appels + Oranjes
6. We Only Come Out at Night
7. Soma
8. Raindrops + Sunshowers
9. By Starlight
10. Shame
11. For Martha
12. To Forgive
13. Behold! The Night Mare
14. Mayonaise
15. Once in a While
16. Farewell and Goodnight
17. The Sacred and Profane
18. Hello Kitty Kat
19. In the Arms of Sleep
20. Thirty-Three
21. Pug
22. Set the Ray to Jerry
23. Zero
24. Obscured
25. Starla

Great show, 24 years ago today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taHmIjIDOXc

Rocket
Quiet
Disarm
Snail
Cherub Rock
Soma
Hummer
Geek U.S.A.
Luna
Today
Siva
---
Starla
--
I Am One (with rant)
Mayonaise
---
(instrumental jam)
> Suffer (tease)
Silverfuck
> Never Let Me Down [Depeche Mode] (tease)
> Over the Rainbow [Harburg/Arlen] (tease)
Sweet Sweet

Rocket
Cherub Rock
Daphne Descends
Bodies
Silverfuck
Stand Inside Your Love
Shame
1979
Luna
Mayonnaise
Disarm
Real Love
Thirty three
XYU
Tonight Tonight
Drown
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Sweet Sweet
Zero
Love
Cupid de Locke
Perfect
To Sheila
Let Me Give the World to You
Rhinoceros

This was such an amazing poll, probably the best one I've participated in on ILM. It'll take me a while to unpack everything that came up during these long, long discussions. Thanks ufo!

We should have a "best moment on an SP song" poll. In my top 5: how Billy sings "Cheshire cat" on "Frail and Bedazzled": "caaahahahat!"

Thanks so much for doing this UFO.

Thanks so much for running this poll, ufo.

Drown
Mayonnaise
Soma
Geek USA
Siva
Stand Inside Your Love
1979
Whir
Cherub Rock
Starla
Bury Me
Where Boys Fear to Tread
Frail and Bedazzled
Crestfallen
Bodies
Set the Ray to Jerry
Hello Kitty Kat
Shame
Rocket
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Glynis
Thirty-Three
I Am One
Silverfuck
Apathy’s Last Kiss

Adore is for me what a lot of noise albums are: a whole as an album, tough to think of as individual tracks.

― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:12 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me too. even though each song is pretty different. really strange

― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Right? Adore has this gauze over it that gels so many disparate styles and songs together and makes it even more of a whole than Gish or MCIS.

― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the strong visual aesthetic of Adore contributes at least a bit to the cohesive feel of the music. when i think of adore i instantly think of the cover and the CD booklet, the dark monochrome colors, festering billy prowling around the 'Ava Adore' video, the everpresent gothic vibe. some of the other albums also had iconic imagery (the cover of MCIS bleeding into the world of the 'Tonight Tonight' video, the SD twins) but didn't present as complete a world as the pain in the Adore imagery (imo). i know it's kind of bullshit to claim that all that has an effect on how you hear the music itself, but for me it did.

― Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:31 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This all rings very true to me although the poll has had me focussing on individual Adore tracks more (e.g. the discussion about the structure of Behold! The Night-Mare), which has definitely elevated the album in my estimation. I might rank it above Machina I at this point.

That's a great top 10, can't find much to fault with the possible exception of the high placing of Thirty Three. I didn't vote but Hummer, Drown, Mayonaise, Rhinoceros, Cherub Rock and Thru The Eyes of Ruby would all have been in my personal top 10. I guess I have a type.

Oh and 1979 but everyone says 1979.

We should have a "best moment on an SP song" poll. In my top 5: how Billy sings "Cheshire cat" on "Frail and Bedazzled": "caaahahahat!"

― Sam Weller, Monday, April 9, 2018 4:35 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

-when the guitars come in on Porcelina
-beginning and ending of Jellybelly
-second verse of I of the Mourning
-"i catch the rainfall" verse in Blank Page
-"angel / barbed wire / FUCK YOU / deeeesiiiiiiire" at the end of Marquis in Spades

Pretty sure it's the bridge/change soaring into "YEAHHHH I WANT SOMETHING NEW" in Hummer

wonder if hummer would win a poll of all tracks by any artist that begin with the telephone filter intro before BIG MOMENT OF CLARITY

on one hand, I want the full results (>66) in the spotify playlist. on the other hand, it's so perfect that this playlist opens with mellon collie.

best sp moments:

- last three minutes of "for martha" really
- the entire chorus of snail but especially "softly... SIIIIIREN! coming home! SIIIIIREN! ....snaiiiiil"
- "what is it you want to change"

the barely audible "uhn!" that Billy does in time with the snare that follows the line "for june angels." didn't hear this until 3 years ago or so. happens at 3:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVuN2qTCg0Y

- last three minutes of "for martha" really

so otm

I'm listening to Billy Corgan's Spotify playlist

https://open.spotify.com/user/11lpnx8l3jmzbwe2amx4684hm/playlist/2KX7eHWHDfe2xQ3tJWxlIs?si=tyMx48DCQyiGgyPeA4Btsg

- Soft second verse of Snail: "Flower, the pain will wash away, away"
- "One last kiss for me, yeah / One last kiss goodnight"
- "I shall be free"
- na na na na na na na
- "The sun shines, but I don't / A silver rain will wash away"

^^^ all classic

that hilarious tag at the end of Love. "beeooww!"

I'm not sure what single moment to pick from Hummer. The way that song moves and develops is so perfect.

I'm listening to Billy Corgan's Spotify playlist

https://open.spotify.com/user/11lpnx8l3jmzbwe2amx4684hm/playlist/2KX7eHWHDfe2xQ3tJWxlIs?si=tyMx48DCQyiGgyPeA4Btsg

― had (crüt), Monday, April 9, 2018 11:27 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao there are 33 songs on this playlist

- "The sun shines, but I don't / A silver rain will wash away"

― jmm, Monday, April 9, 2018 6:36 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This this this this this <3

every time Billy shouts "you!!!" and launches into a solo

xp I hadn't noticed before, but I wonder whether that was a deliberate reference back to the verse in Snail. "Flower, the pain will wash away / When the sun shines / Climbs through your window"

idk if it's a deliberate reference so much as rain tends to fall on everyone

:D

Billy sure likes his 'key words', sun shining, flowers, trees. Not sure if it's a deliberate ref to Snail, but it's most def a reference to Corgan himself, of yore.

Ya Brad otm :D

- outro to Whir

oh yeah

outro to Hummer

"cause I want you to stay" in 'In The Arms of Sleep" with the "wee-oh wee-oh" theremin-like sounds in the back.

you're all I notice, in a crowded room

I. just. want. to beeeeeeeeeeee me!

Time is never time at all

- outro to Whir

This would be my pick

- "destroy / despise / distrust / disobey / destroy / distrust / disloyal / disarm / destroy / despise / dissect / deny / destroy / despise / distrust" in the background of the second chorus of Bodies

the melodic riff at the end of "Rhinoceros"

the palm muted verse in Bury Me with James singing backup. They never sounded cooler than that moment.

the overdriven joe meek weirdness of 1:12 to 1:20 ub hello kitty kat

it is the hint of something about to be unchained later, but it's somehow the best part in a song that really tries to top itself until the very end

Jimmy’s accents during the builds in BWBW

“OK, this take? Don’t give a fuck.”

Was just listening through TAFH this afternoon and was struck by how much Believe has in common with Tonight Tonight. Like it could just as easily have been sung by Billy and given the full urgent orchestral treatment that TT got. I'm curious if either was a conscious rewrite of the other.

Ha! Just went to google smashing pumpkins believe and Tonight Tonight was the top search results on account of "Believe, Believe in me, Believe"

81 Mouths of Babes 62 3 0

this jam 4ever

my thing

1. Here Is No Why
2. Mouths Of Babes
3. Obscured
4. Today
5. Mayonaise
6. Quiet
7. Bodies
8. Cupid de Locke
9. I Am One
10. Drown
11. Blew Away
12. Thirty-Three
13. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)
14. Starla
15. Hummer
16. Love
17. Where Boys Fear To Tread
18. Rhinoceros
19. Siva
20. Hello Kitty Kat
21. Stumbleine
22. To Forgive
23. Pastichio Medley
24. Landslide
25. Geek U.S.A.

I think of "Here Is No Why" as the "Mayonaise" of MCIS to me -- a non-rocker, non-single that has hit people in an emotional way over the years and is often held in as high regard as the singles. And looking back it probably should have been a single.

Full disclosure - I totally got off the SP bus the first time i heard "Bullet With Butterfly Wings". And they were pretty much my favorite band up to that point.

Consequently my poll entry only included songs that came out before then (looks like I was the sole #1 vote for Crush).

So this is the first time I'm hearing about 2/3 of the song on this spotify list. And I'm realizing that there's definitely a parallel universe where they decided to release "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" as the first single off MCIS, and I stayed a fan for another 5 years (though I think Machina still would've been a deal-breaker)

can't compute HINW as a "non-rocker"!