The Debussy piano rolls are bizarre to me. I wish we could know how accurate that rubato is to what he played.
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 5 April 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
practical matters --
QUESTION 1 -- Aside from Stax/Volt & Motown, remind me if there are other musically/historically significant record labels (not existing/major labels) that emerged in the 1960s QUESTION 2 -- Aside from Phil Spector, Brian Wilson were there other mainstream producers whose ideas characterized the music of the 1960s or were revived at a later date? Berry Gordy?
i am trying to organize my 1960s lesson and it feels like i am burying myself in informationtoo much to say for one class
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 8 April 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link
re producers, George Martin
― Brad C., Sunday, 8 April 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
1: Studio One, Fania, Impulse!
― rob, Sunday, 8 April 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
1. ESP-DISK 2. John Hammond signed Dylan and made sure his then-unusual sound and material came through, unscrewed-with, and on major label Columbia, not Vanguard etc (see also "Hammond's Folly"). Made sure Robert Johnson's sides were finally issued on legit LP, also weird then for Columbia. Signed Canadian thirtysomething hubbie-dad-novelist-poet L. Cohen, to Columbia as a deep singer-songwriter, the kids don't want that, John!
― dow, Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
producers: bacharach & david
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
producers: norman whitfield, holland-dozier-holland
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
yes, now we're talkingthank you. these are people/things i know of but never directly associated with the 1960s or forgot! we are def getting into fania (even though i recently learned that willie colon is an active trumpist :( )
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 8 April 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
Producer: Lee Hazlewood
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Monday, 9 April 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
REQUEST: youtubes of Beatles-inspired bands from around the world (contemporaneous with the Beatles or shortly after) I know there was a comp released of maybe Mexican Beatles-inspired bands? I can't remember. Help!
(I am googling like crazy today getting ready for my 1960s class. I have limited time and resources but I want to give them as much info as possible, all relevant suggestions appreciated!)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
ohhh, i have a ton of global beatles covers, hope i'm not shitting up the thread too bad with video links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hp_cBozufs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSqh0bZmwQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpN9JkV8dU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mS6deAXRzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtpDmZpjsJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-XtLm_VsPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkFG5SoXsVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pb4naN_r7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfSXJ0d2P3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs5NxjxG0_8
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Os Mutantes were Beatles fanatics? Don't think they covered any Beatles songs, though.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
perfect -- that is exactly what i needed! mission accomplished! i have Os Mutantes on the plan already ;) i need to cover the big topics so this "meanwhile, in the rest of the world" section is an aside with links so we're not going into super detail bc there is so much to cover
i am excited to go from "theme from a summer place" to VU but also trying to stay focused & keep breathing :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
Ooh there is also a Cathy Berberian record where she does her thing to the Beatles songbook, I can ysi if u need it.
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
Also, in terms of doing something distinctive, self-expressive with Beatle-y sounds, the first two Big Star albums---Third/Sister Lovers has more of a Velvet Underground vibe---although they always seemed like they liked Left Banke too, and LB had their own bittersweet childe of JohnPaulGeorge thing going on, gliding on thee strings more often and reliably than actual Beatles did.
― dow, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
Ray Charles' "Eleanor Rigby," Wilson Pickett's "Hey Jude" (even way before Duane Allman cuts loose), 80i(Eno, Manzanera etc)'s live "Tomorrow Never Knows," Smokey Robinson's "Yesterday," Willie Nelson's too: both live and acappella (or just about). Maybe Beatallica, but I haven't heard it (reminds me that Cobain said his basic idea for Nirvana was Black Sabbath Beatles)
― dow, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
801, that is.
― dow, Tuesday, 10 April 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
glad to help - oh i forgot one more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYnqVS0eDdA
as for ray charles more people need to hear his version of "the long and winding road", which is actually good
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
i spent many hours putting together tonight's presentation and it was worth it. my coverage of the 1960s was far from comprehensive but i did the best i could under the circumstances, as usualhighlights:
* going from "theme from a summer place" to "black sabbath" * they liked "sittin' on the dock of the bay" * youngest student (ardent 1D fan) heard more beatles songs than she had ever heard in her life and she liked them* talking about beatlemania was fun* i wore a period-appropriate dress & shoes* the big one -- their favorite version of "all along the watchtower" truly shocked me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmrql7Zhg-c
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
* they also enjoyed learning about leonard cohen
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link
It's that time!!
REQUEST: nonanglophone punk/new wave/synth pop from around the world in the late 70s/early 80s
REQUEST: essential must hear rap 1977-1984? is there a list of such a thing somewhere (on ilx or elsewhere)?
i have been trying not to feed them any company line about the "invention" (usually dubious) or "importance" (extremely subjective) or any particular type of music or subgenre. just trying to give them an idea of when and how influential sounds emerged.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
Have you seen Hip Hop Evolution on Netflix? First episode is as good a primer on hip hop's beginnings as I've run across.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
Kleenex (who later changed their name to LiLiPUT) - an all-female Swiss punk band, very influential on some (obscure) 90s bands I love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp8NYBUBnss
I also love early-80s Japanese new wave synth pop but don't know much about it - know this is amazing though-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGqvYVfpEU
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
i'm going to have to save hip hop evolution (the whole concept) for next week, will watch thanks for those two -- helpful! i just need a few examples of international iterations of the punk/new wave/synth pop concept -- any contributions welcome. i don't know much about this but i know it's out there.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7X6oYg6iro
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2lvpLX8CCU
You can cover international synth pop/wave with this one, and mention Italo in passing :)
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSqdiyg4iAU
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
I know that Poland was especially replete with synth pop acts in that period but I don’t know any names
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
neither do i! i am looking for more non-euro stuff if anyone has brilliant ideas
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
not non-euro, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTo79sPCVXA
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFHanoST-vI
English version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6raFS_dxns
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
(Polish so not non-Euro; also check out Dezerter for Polish punk. Timothy Ryback's "Punk in Poland" in Rocking the State, ed. Sabrina Ramet, is a good start.)
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
i forgot about yellow magic orchestra!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
A good soul jazz comp on Brazilian post-punk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sexual_Life_of_the_Savages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmPA4wEMGf4
Los Prisioneros, from Chile, worked in many different New Wave subgenres
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8RhLiHh5nA
A good French comp on Cold Wave
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Transmission-81-89-The-French-Cold-Wave/release/430644
This one seems to foreshadow PJ Harvey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBNEJX6GC20
From the German angle, I find the career of Gudrun Gut really fascinating, as she's followed the post-punk impetus through the decades, from industrial and goth to techno and modern DAW approaches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OiNFPINKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWkq1zXs10
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link
excellent -- thank you!
one of the highlights from this week was letting my students browse some of my early 80s records. one of them asked me from across the room "what's this?" and held up new order's low-life <3 she liked the look of it lots of highlights this week though for sure. i told them that rock music started to splinter like those brooms in fantasialol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
low-life was a little after my cutoff date for this week but we were talking about joy division and she fell right into my teaching trap :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
question --
the billboard charts appear to introduce Latin music to their archives in 1985. then, in 1986, there appears to be a war between two artists recording the same song "toda la vida" (franco & emmanuel) and trading off #1 spots? does anyone know what was going on there? https://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1986/latin-songs
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 12:38 (six years ago) link
nm i found some articles about it in English and Spanish !! here is one in english https://www.lemonwire.com/2017/10/18/classics-latin-music-toda-la-vida-emmanuel-also-franco/
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
More important question for rap heads -- any recommended lists of classics from the mid-late 80s? I am looking for someone with more authority than me to tell my students what rap albums were essential during that period.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
run-dmc raising hell
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
Er, haven't listened to any of these in quite a while, but sounded pretty damn good at the time and should still be at least of historical interest (several seemed vanguard back in the day):Eric B & Rakim: Paid In Full, Follow The LeaderAfrika Bambaataa: Planet Rock---The Album, Looking for the Perfect Beat 1980-1985Beastie Boys: Licensed to IllBoogie Down Productions:Criminal Minded (the only one I know of feat. innovative DJ Scott LaRock, though I always enjoyed the musicality of KRS-One's voice, despite/sometimes in tandem with some of his nutty words)Think female rappers may have been more 90s? But some good albs in 80s:Neneh Cherry, Raw Like SushiGrandmaster Flash and the Furious Five: The MessageMC Lyte: Eyes On ThisPublic Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back Queen Latifa: All Hail The Queen(some were v. skeptical 'til I played it)The Real Roxanne: s/tSalt-N-Peppa: Hot, Cool and Vicious (def. on the pop side, but got the flava!)Blanking on some of my compilation tapes, but these should be historical and fun:Rap's Greatest Hits (Priorty label: breezy & gritty & goofin')Rap's Greatest Hits Vol. 2 (Sugarhill!)Mr. Magic's Rap Attack, Vol. 4 (radio radio!)
― dow, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Big Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane is a must, plus some obvious ones like De La - 3 Feet High and Rising and NWA - Straight Outta Compton
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
I'm not enough of a head to attest to the value of these personally, but Ego Trip's lists are online: http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/ego_trip_page2.htm
― rob, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
The Perfect Beats: New York Electro Hip Hop + Underground Dance Classics 1980-1985 (I've got four volumes, may be more)
― dow, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
Also, Steinski always had his own vision of hip-hop, from the early 80s at least, maybe the 70s, and some of the 80s stuff, remastered, is posted via this official site, his and early partner Double Dee's--join the mailing list and get a code for download of yr. choice: https://ddski.com/ (early stuff on youtube as well).Burning Out of Control, Steinski's panoramic mix album of Sugarhill tracks, some deep in the catalog, is very edutational.
― dow, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 22:06 (six years ago) link
*has* always had, I meant: he's still at it.
― dow, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
"edutational"? Screw it, it's very educational and entertaining.
― dow, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
RIP Jabo :(
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
working on my final exam study guidei can't believe i get paid to do this! what a blessing
this thread has been really helpful content-wise and as a place to gather my thoughts. thank you ilxor.com :)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
it was a true pleasure
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link