i do think there are very popular artists who are weird and culty and very popular artists who are much closer to the creative zeitgeist of popular music, but yes that logic can become circular
still i suspect more artists in hip hop are going to take ideas from this than wont, regardless of how publications treat this
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/YCfUen3KBlDdUBOOQ_1QrAwnWYE/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2018/01/29/980/n/1922398/tmp_XRCCA9_ad13a8ab9fb5560d_GettyImages-911548280.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
i assume you're just making a logic joke but hes p far from the zeitgeist, he's a successful branding exercise building on the (zeitgeist-adjacent) creative innovations of more relevant artists
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
his glasses are circular though
― maura, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
This is way off-topic, but how were there not already like a zillion backpack rappers named Logic before that guy came along?
― JRN, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Logic
― how's life, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
Well, as I recently rediscovered while trying to listen to “The Warning” on Apple Music, there was a house act on Strictly Rhythm who later had to rebrand as New York Logic:https://www.discogs.com/artist/15177-Logic
― You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
it took me way too long to realize that wasn't anthony fantano
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
^^^ That's who I thought it was, too.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
wait it's not?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
deej otm. The next generation will probably emulate xxx, but they probably won't emulate logic. That's why we can't afford to think xxx out of existence. It's also, to a certain extent, why the taste of teenagers tends to matter more than the taste of adult gatekeepers. I'd love to imagine a future where xxx (and logic, of course but that's another matter) is despised & forgotten, but chances are we'll have no such luck. So we'd better find a more productive way to engage with it than "arghhhh, teenagers".
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link
i mean, i do think it matters how we handle shit like this tbc ... but this is the world we've made, where youtube & soundcloud are seen as neutral sites instead of publications
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 29 March 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
im not actually super into xxx on a personal level, hes extremely corny and an abuser which makes it hard to catch onto the underdog narrative, i just think its undeniable that the work hes making is a real thing in teh world that is persuading people to think a certain way, and that pretending its not is equivalent to holding your hands over your ears...imo criticism is a tool to rob it of its glamor, not a tool to rationalize its 'artiness'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 29 March 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
but in order to do that you have to be honest about what its doing that 'works'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 29 March 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
It’s weird how he’s the most recent superstar in this era of wokeness though.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
not really, teens are not all as woke as the ones in the news
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
its almost like the entire concept of wokeness is perpetuted by the coastal media elite as a given norm when really Americans would readily elect a racist xenophobe misogynist to be the president
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
plus also sometimes people with 'woke' politics like 'unwoke' art
― ||||||||, Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
right now what's happening in part is the no platforming that (rightly imo) is pushing against i.e. 'free speech' defenses of Bannon giving a speech at U of C, or ppl defending "good writers" who also happen to believe in the bell curve or whatever as Atlantic or Times columnists. this kind of trolling, or pretending at "objectivity" to give cover to i.e. race hate as if it were a thing worth serious debate.
ppl were doing that with xxx in the press but the press was kind of irrelevant and he did an end run around them bc youtube/soundcloud/message boards/social media etc get the word out, transform the debate into an interpersonal one rather than one about platforms bc no one sees spaces like youtube as a publication, but as a neutral site
is how i see it
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
except in this case the no-platforming accomplishes nothing; the argument for no-platforming is it causes the bad actors in question to give up and take their nazi ball home; clearly, there is no risk of that happening here
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
right thats what im trying to say!
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
no problem, misread
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 March 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
people doin good work on this thread I gotta say, enjoying the ~~~discourse~~~
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 29 March 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
he's on the new weeknd album apparently
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 29 March 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
perhaps the look-at-me-self-righteousness of xxx and certain types of wokeness might even be connected in some way.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
This seems like a crucial read.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/music/the-real-story-of-rapper-xxxtentacion-10410980
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
Nearly two years after they first met, Ayala now rents a room in a house 20 minutes south of Onfroy's place. It's the first room she's had to herself. "I'm saving up to move somewhere else," she says, "somewhere in the country, where there aren't any people."
a grim and disturbing read.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
Some discussion of him on the mumble rap 2017 thread but now that we’re about to see him break into the mainstream he deserves his own thread.Album got dropped on spotify one week ago and its songs are creeping all the global and viral charts. Billboard is still not acknowledging the streams but it’s safe to say Sad will take the singles charts and the album will take the top 200 in the following weeks.So, what say you ILM? Worthy of the insane hype?― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:13 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkffs― imago, Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:16 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkfuck this scumbag abuser foreverhttps://pitchfork.com/thepitch/xxxtentacions-reported-victim-details-grim-pattern-of-abuse-in-testimony/― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:27 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink^^^^― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:55 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Album got dropped on spotify one week ago and its songs are creeping all the global and viral charts. Billboard is still not acknowledging the streams but it’s safe to say Sad will take the singles charts and the album will take the top 200 in the following weeks.
So, what say you ILM? Worthy of the insane hype?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:13 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ffs
― imago, Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:16 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fuck this scumbag abuser foreverhttps://pitchfork.com/thepitch/xxxtentacions-reported-victim-details-grim-pattern-of-abuse-in-testimony/
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:27 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:55 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
how did this thread not end right here?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 23:31 (six years ago) link
cause soundcloud kids kept listening to him
― austinb, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 03:44 (six years ago) link
that's a very sad final paragraph to the piece
"sad" (the song) did not end up taking off on radio as much as i thought it would, i am relieved to say. (obviously it was still a big hit tho + his fans were gonna stream it and the rest of his music constantly regardless of whether radio gave it any further exposure.)
― dyl, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 06:13 (six years ago) link
horrifying read
― niels, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link
Take, for instance, Hillary Clinton, he says. "She ran [for president] and she wasn't killed for it. That says everything."
― imago, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 10:34 (six years ago) link
yeah fuck him. in this time of endless music availability giving truck to guys like this makes no sense on a 'you can listen to anything else' level although it totally tracks on a 'how does one stand out from the crowd' level
― maura, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
holy shit
http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/18/xxxtentacion-shot-dead-miami/
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 June 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
Live by the sword, die by the sword
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 June 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
oh damn
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 18 June 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, June 18, 2018 3:42 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
one of the worst posts ive ever seen on this board
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link
He's gone from "Dead" to "No pulse" to "Critical condition." By tonight, he'll have just been hit with a bb.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 18 June 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
he was just pronounced dead
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
ilx posts age like milk
He'll be missed. By someone. Probably.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
everyone here is so woke they'll dance on a 20 year old's grave
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
Shakey inspired obit goes here
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
xp. ah yes, unperson, the most famously woke ilxor
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
everything about the x story sucks and this is just the awful kicker
― paul mccartney & whinge (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 June 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link
friendly reminder you can always say nothing
― Simon H., Monday, 18 June 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
This is all just horrible. R.i.p.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 18 June 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
spent five minutes on twitter and reminded that the apparent need for takes, across the spectrum, is just the worst
― lowercase (eric), Monday, 18 June 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
ops to simon. i find saying something mildly flippant or shitty about a person who was objectively monstrous who has just died a lot less unpalatable than people RIPing him but ymmv
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 June 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link