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ronnie milsap is kind of more charlie rich than anyone else working in mainstream. his last record was pretty fine, too.

garth, hmm, the first one, '90, w/ "friends in low places," i always liked because it was a bit more relaxed, pre-mega-success. i guess i think "in pieces" is the best of all of them except the first greatest hits package. one of those guys i wish i could divorce the music from that silly-ass way he always cavorted around on stage and so forth. definitely some kind of genius of assimilationist nashville, oklahoma. give me john anderson any day, though, or even keith whitley.

jackson "jazz album of the year," eh? that's the rub, and what a lot of reviewers just seem to have missed. i was talking about charlie rich, and certainly jackson has affinities. rich always gave you a piece of himself, vocally, though, and jackson remains a bit of a cipher, but i guess i say the less "personality" in jazz-pop these days, perhaps the better. a really over-the-top singer might've ruined "like red."

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Frank, I don't know if someone else already pointed this out to you, but there's a search feature on the main page of the Idolator poll that lets you see who all voted for what.

Here's my Scene stuff:

TOP TEN COUNTRY ALBUMS OF 2006:

1. Alan Jackson – Like Red on a Rose
2. Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins – Rabbit Fur Coat
3. Julie Roberts – Men and Mascara
4. The Wreckers – Stand Still, Look Pretty
5. Blaine Larsen – Rockin’ You Tonight
6. Rosanne Cash – Black Cadillac
7. Dixie Chicks – Taking the Long Way
8. Vince Gill – These Days
9. Toby Keith – White Trash with Money
10. Keith Urban – Love, Pain & the Whole Crazy Thing

TOP TEN COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2006:

1. Faith Hill – “Stealing Kisses”
2. Sara Evans – “Cheatin’”
3. Carrie Underwood – “Before He Cheats”
4. Kenny Chesney – “Summertime”
5. The Wreckers – “Leave the Pieces”
6. Blaine Larsen – “I Don’t Know What She Said”
7. Toby Keith – “Get Drunk and Be Somebody”
8. Billy Currington – “Must Be Doin’ Somethin’ Right”
9. Dixie Chicks – “Not Ready to Make Nice”
10. Julie Roberts – “Men and Mascara”

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST MALE VOCALISTS OF 2006:

1. Alan Jackson
2. Toby Keith
3. Vince Gill

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST FEMALE VOCALISTS OF 2006:

1. Julie Roberts
2. Neko Case
3. Carrie Underwood

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST LIVE ACTS OF 2006:

1. Tim McGraw/Faith Hill
2. Dierks Bentley
3. Kenny Chesney

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST SONGWRITERS OF 2006:

1. Lori McKenna
2. Arlis Albritton
3. Robert Lee Castleman

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST DUOS, TRIOS OR GROUPS OF 2006:

1. The Wreckers
2. Dixie Chicks
3. Deadstring Bros.

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST NEW ACTS OF 2006:

1. The Wreckers
2. Blaine Larsen
3. Jamey Johnson

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST OVERALL ACTS OF 2006:

1. Alan Jackson
2. Julie Roberts
3. Rosanne Cash

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Josh, I thought "Bible Song" was your favorite Sara Evans cut. Maybe it wasn't a single, I dunno.

I'm sure you guys probably talked about this last year, but thoughts on "Brand New Girlfriend"? I think it's great: I love the unabashed heart-on-his-sleeve giddiness, but I can also see someone could find it annoying. None of you voted for it. A little surprised that Frank was the only one who voted for Taylor Swift's "Tim McGraw," too. Not surprised at all that we all seem to agree on the excellence of "Before He Cheats."

I'd like to hear more country this year. I didn't really hear anything until late 2005, and even last year I probably only heard about a dozen or so songs, not including the Dixie Chicks record, which I thought was just okay.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I saw a video for "Cheatin'" in '06 so I counted it - I definitely like "Bible Song" more but I never came across anything about it being a single or video (though granted I don't watch a whole lot of CMT and rarely listen to country radio).

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

The singles from Sara Evans are "Real Fine Place to Start" (definitely 05) and "Cheatin" (arguable 06 eligibility, but I count it in 05), then in '06 we had "Coalmine" and "You'll Always Be My Baby". A rather uninspired slate of selections, especially "You'll Always Be My Baby" which is I think my least favorite song on the entire album.

Greg Fanoe (JustFanoe), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, "real fine" is the best single to come off sara's record. i don't think the record is as strong as her previous collection, myself.

"bible song" is kinda brilliant, though.

so I gotta give a listen to Jason Michael Carroll's "Waitin' in the Country" promo. anyone heard it yet? beyond "Alyssa Lies"? he does a duet with our new Star, Jewel...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Xposted to my blog.

5 Country Albums I liked in 2006, in no particular order:

1. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood
2. Alan Jackson - Like Red On a Rose
3. Rosanne Cash - Black Cadillac
4. Hannah Montana - Hannah Montana Soundtrack
5. Dixie Chicks - Taking the Long Way Around

Five in one year means it's a pretty good year for me for country music. Most years have one country permanent addition to my iPod, if any at all. Unclear if Hannah Montana will be a permanent fixture (though 'Best of Both Worlds' will likely be) or Rosanna Cash, though her album strikes me as beautiful at the moment. The other 3 are no doubt permanent additions.

Amazing moments from these five albums:
1. "John couldn't read it (John couldn't read it) / Get on repeat it / John couldn't read it / Holy, Holy to the Lord" - can you hear Johnny B. Goode?
2. "at the end of the road is another town where the people want to hear a man who sings the blues."
3. "it was a black cadillac that drove you away -- one of us gets to go to heaven, one has to stay in hell" -- can you hear this and not think of joni's yellow taxi?
4. "Living two lives is... a - little weerd!"
5. " And how in the world / Can the words that I said / Send somebody so over the edge / That they'd write me a letter / Saying that I better shut up and sing / Or my life will be over."

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Actually, Frank gave me a reason why Hannah Montana isn't country, but I wonder if anyone can give me some reasons why she is? Or could be? I'm curious, outside of the television show (in which she's called a hillbilly regularly), why I'd think there was something countryish about her.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

don't know the hannah montana...
jason michael carroll's "waitin' in the country." this record has two songs that rhyme "steeple" and "people." the title song is about escaping to the outer exurbs; the second one uses a modal lick from folk-rock, the one that country often uses, big-ass ninth/seventh guitar lick, to begin the song, and it's also about going wild within a 100-mile radius from a base in the country. "as long as I can beat the train/and they got a passing lane" sums it up nicely. the one that I guess is something of a hit now, "alyssa lies," well, what happens when the girl is not a grown girl but a kid, and *your* kid comes home from school crying because alyssa is lying...not about stealing or cheating, but about "every bruise." and what rhymes with lie that alyssa does, since no one will do anything about anything, including the guy singing the song?

the one with jewel is totally bleh--"no good in goodbye." the best one is maybe "honky tonk friends," about a guy who hangs out with his suburban neighbors and his co-workers and even with his Godly Friends (steeple-people), but who only really loves his h.t. friends.

he gets that macho astringent deep baritone slide up to nasality quite well, and the title track, and especially "sleep when i'm dead" rock pretty good--the latter is, like, about 4 songs all jammed into one, with some amazing twists and turns and that great guitar lick. "anywhere u.s.a" was already done by jason aldean and many others--some of this is big & rich, too, he almost raps, it's a typically wordy nashville country album. not bad!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

there's been no more consistent musical act this decade, in any genre. I'm not even sure who would come close.

Come to think of it, Toby Keith comes close. (And I haven't even heard his early albums, so it's possible he even surpasses MG.) And Craig Finn might come close if you count Lifter Puller stuff I guess. Who else?? Pink has four CDs on my shelf, but I can't say I love any of them. Field Mob have three; third one not great. Um...
Actually, the Dixie Chicks would be up in top five or so, probably. (Oh wait...Lil Wayne! Trick Daddy! Brooks & Dunn, though I only even know three '00s albums by them -- guess I need to research backwards from Steers and Queers. Gore Gore Girls, though they only have two albums and an EP. Eminem's off the list by now... and I might be starting to lose track of Lil Wayne and Trick Daddy.)

I need to give Jason Michael Carrol another shot (and had planned to; was just procrastinating.) I'd taken him for something of a wuss on first listen. (Not that being a wuss is necessarily always bad.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

His album seemed less wussy this morning. But I still wasn't playing super-close attention. Yet.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

"I Can Sleep When I'm Dead" (howdy Warren Zevon!) = DEFINITELY not wussy. I'm really liking "Honky Tonky Friends," too. And the Jewel duet isn't bad. Still on the fence about "Alyssa Lies," though.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

More like howdy Bon Jovi!

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'll post that country ballot on freelancementalists, eventually, with even more comments; rat now I don't want to drop anything on top of "Dancestand Internationale (2006!"(check it out yall). Can't access Idolator's Jackin Pop section, except for Matos' essay, and that's on three dif computers at two dif locales, and my friend the research librarian at Cornell can't get any further, even on her various kickass machines. Oh well, I'll keep checking, but Daddino's threads have imported some goodies. Meanwhile, here's the Seger bit, although I got hung up on "Persecution Smith" etc. and not as much about new album (and the amazing Greatest Hits 2, which I described in the thing for Anthony's Lefthip round, hopefully making his deadline). But the new(ish) album, Face The Promise, is more good than bad, and he's got rockin Nashville Cats like J.T. Corenflos and Steve Nathan, and the inevitable Kid Rock duet is fun too. More later on freelancementalists, but this is the gist of it: http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A117085

don (dow), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Chris Willman just forwarded this to me. It's the line-up for Coachella Festival in So. California.

Saturday, May 5, 2007: George Strait, Alan Jackson, Sara Evans, Jason Aldean, Eric Church, Willie Nelson, Lucinda Williams, Neko Case, Robert Earl Keen, Richie Furay, Chris Hillman & Herb Pederson, David Serby, Earl Scruggs, Nickel Creek, Yonder Mountain String Band, The Grascals, The John Cowan Band, Ramblin’ Jack Elliot, Riders in the Sky, Red Steagall, Waddie Mitchell, Sons of the San Joaquin, Cowboy Nation.

Sunday, May 6, 2007: Kenny Chesney, Brooks & Dunn, Sugarland, Gary Allan, Pat Green, Emmylou Harris, Kris Kristofferson, Raul Malo, Junior Brown, Drive by Truckers, Alejandro Escovedo, Railbenders, Ricky Skaggs, Doyle Lawson and Quicksilver, Marty Stuart, The Del McCoury Band, Abigail Washburn with the Sparrow Quartet featuring Ben Sollee, Sasey Driessen and Bela Fleck, The Flatlanders (Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Joe Ely, Butch Hancock), Garrison Keillor, Baxter Black, Cowboy Celtic, Don Edwards, and Katy Moffat.

Whoah.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

it's not Coachella, though it's put on by the same company at the same location (one week after Coachella), but Stagecoach

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Ah OK. Who is sponsoring this thing? The Bank of Switzerland?

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

No one's "sponsoring" it, far as I can tell. More details here.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Um, surely someone is: http://www.coachella.com:81/sponsors/

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

My bad.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

that's gonna be like 2 days of 'grand ol opry' style 3 songs and outski stuff

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait for the Garrison Keillor-led super jam at the end.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm liking this Garth Brook's "The Hits" collection but at first couple listens nothing else strikes me as good as "Friends In Low Places" or "Thunder Rolls". I like this album, but am not feeling particularly inspired to go out and by his actual studio albums.

Greg Fanoe (JustFanoe), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

So Don, have you heard Nancy McCallion's new band?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/lastcallgirls

The border-jigging sounds pretty good; makes the music more rich than the Nancy solo album I heard last year. But the Mollys worked with a wider emotional range, though, I think. (I.e.--they could be pretty dark.) In all cases, though, I'm realizing that Nancy probably doesn't really have enough vocal presence for me -- She's a competent singer, but kind of dull. It would take a better singer than her for me to decide how good a songwriter she is. But she does seem to surround herself with fairly lively musician friends.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

nothing else strikes me as good as "Friends In Low Places" or "Thunder Rolls".

I'd say "Callin' Baton Rouge," "What She's Doing Now," "Papa Loved Mama," "Two Of A Kind Workin' On A Full House," and maybe "That Summer," and maybe "Ain't Goin' Down (Til The Sun Comes Up)"
(and probably one or two more) come pretty damn close though.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty lame--"A Different World" first single from Bucky Covington, the 2nd Country artist (after Kellie Pickler) from last season's Amer Idol with a deal. He was more of a Southern Rock guy on the show--singing stuff like "Simple Man"--though he did do a Gary Allen song on Country Night. His voice here sounds like it was run through some program that removes grit & enhances twang. Also it's a nostalgia piece for the 1980s, them good old days of lead paint and hard drinking pregnant women, back when you drank water from a garden hose rather than a bottle, back when Dwayne Wayne glasses were cool (maybe.)

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

No xxhuxx, have not heard nor heard of Nancy's new band! Didn't Catherine Zavala's voice, with and without Nancy's, serve Nancy's (and Catherine's) songs pretty well? I miss her so much.Like a young, vital, yet raspystential Marianne Faithful.Apparently she's more involved in the ASU desert groves of academe nowadays (that's a geographical ref only, the groves may well be plush with learnin', for all I know). Occasionally sits in, though, incl with a St. Patricio's Day reunion in 06, or 05, how the years disappear.For anyone who didn't get this email:
Finally saw all of Broken Bridges, but it was better in bits; bet the director's done videos, maybe mostly those. Toby's a good actor though, listens carefully, then little darting quips occasionally, some of which sound improvised. All of which is true to the character, in this case (black sheep, trying to get back into good graces). And true to the aw shucks ma'am discreet black sheep backdoor man asspect of his orig persona. But I'd rather have the soundtrack, if it's got all this stuff. And soundtrack's prob the main worth of this whole project, aside from what it might do for Toby's career.(PS: bit about the listening and quips reminds me that Toby long ago said he wanted to do his own version of "Seinfeld.")

don (dow), Saturday, 13 January 2007 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

frank and i were having a conversation about the two faith hill singles, and how they were or werent country, and i kept feeling bad because i put them on my ns ballot even though i thot they were more cabaret...i was fucking with you tube last night, cause im in TO, at my friends pat and ray--who both mostly listen to modern rock and dance...playing stealing kisses, my love of which is about 1/2 high camp diva worship and 1/2 something else, and i kept saying well this isnt really country, this is her judy garland at carnagie hall moment, and pat said he couldnt understand why i didnt think it ws country (might have been the hair, in both videos, frankly) so, all that worry about it not being country enough was all for moot, if one didnt listen to country.

i also got a best of gene pitney for 6 bucks, which has been the exten t of my record buying this trip, havent listened to it fully, but planning on doing that tomorrow or monday (tonite being the super fancy bday dinner)

(though i did find a copy of carnival strippers, a relvetory, complicated, and proto2ndwavefemminist book of women hardned by love, the road, and male lust--there is a country opus, a hillbillu opera waiting to be written about it, and it made me wonder, what did carnival strippers listen to in 1972, on their circitous way around the country, what did they strip to?)

also outside the country vein, the last episode of studio 60. had the christian singer harriet being offered the role of anita pallenberg in a rolling stone movie, and her joking that tammy wynettr should have been offered, it says alot when tammy is a joke and anita pallenberg is the best role a woman can hope to play.

pinkmoose (jacklove), Saturday, 13 January 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Carnival-Strippers-Susan-Meiselas/dp/3882439548

pinkmoose (jacklove), Saturday, 13 January 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

recent stuff sort of on the borderline of country maybe:

over the rhine -- matt cibula who loves them probably thinks i'm always trying hard not to like these americanists, but actually just the opposite is true. of course i want to like them: they come from cincinnatti or someplace like that and their name refers to germany i suppose and i've been obsessed with the german cincannatti thing ever since i saw a book that i assume was a history of the city when i was a kid called was du ever im zizinnatti or something like that (richard riegel, please to come here and correct my spelling). thing is, over the rhine have never grabbed me, not once, not even for a song. i kind of figured that their new best-of CD would play down their amorphousness, but sadly no such luck dudes.

royal trux - interesting. i have a prejudice against these people in part because they're one of those bands (like disco inferno -- who may or may not actually exist in real life -- and gary numan) who seemingly have an extremely rabid and obsessed and deluded cult of people i can't otherwise identify on ILM who think they're the greatest artists in the universe, which may or may not be amusing but is definitely way beyond ridiculous. the one album i got all the way through by them before struck me as a shitty version of black crowes, more or less. (it was one of their mid/late '90s "sellout" albums i guess; i think i tried listening to one of their early noisier records once and it seemed completely forgettable even as background sound, at least at the time. i'm willing to concede i may have underrated both of those records though.) anyway, the new one western extermintator has some okay blues guitar jam parts (in "rat will kill") and one song that sounds like hanoi rocks drowning in your bathtub ("balls to pass") and an opening dark gypsy waltz that you might like more than me if you like tom waits or nick cave more than me. so...some of it, at least, is not bad. but mostly the music tends to muffle and distance itself into lifelessness.

cloud cult -- as country as modest mouse if not ugly casanova, which means, well, a little bit country at least. i like this! at least so far! i just don't know how much! they are an indie band from minnesota and have actual songs with words that seem to make sense, and hooks and a good singer and decent beat, but mostly melodies melodies melodies. and there's intersting things going on musically in a modest mouse type way; one of these days i'll pinpoint why i kinda like those guys. so far "the girl underground" is my favorite song, then "2x2x2" and "alien christ," but i have only just begun.

the mooney suzuki - i liked their previous record, the mainstream hard rock one where they finally came to terms with their inner eddie money for an entire album. new album's lamer, and seemingly a deadhead hippie (= roots, sort of) move overall, though the jokey drug spiel "good ol' alchohol" is a decent commander cody type joke. if i had an ipod i'd probably put it on there and chuck the rest, though i'd be intersted if somebody hears something here i don't.

eddie money - covers of great '60s songs like "expressway to your heart" and "land of a thousand dances" and "good lovin'" and "jenny take a ride" and two by the foundations plus james brown, ray charles, sam & dave, etc. which by now means people who buy country records might end up buying this too. so far seems kind of watered down, but we'll see. better than mooney suzuki's CD probably. a cool photo of eddie at 15 in his garage band the grapes of wrath inside.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

actually the cloud cult singer is more a talker than a singer, which undoubtedly helps him a lot. i'd say they're more country than the hold steady (but then so are modest mouse, and ugly casanova, and winfred e. eye if they count.) album title: the meaning of 8.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also sometimes the Cloud Cult guy's voice swishes around like the guy from Placebo, I'm realizing. (Okay, not very county, I know.)

Water Ostanek ("Canada's Polka King and Three Time Grammy Winner" -- he does the odd numbered selections, which sometimes have slightly more intriguing song titles, likke "Hawaiian Polka" and "My Beautiful Slovenia Waltz") and Gaylord Kancnik ("Michigan Polka Hall of Fame inductee", who does the even numbered selections), Polkas United -- Consistently lively dance music behind consistently repressed singing that refuses to acknowledge that rock'n'roll, country, blues, jazz, etc, ever happened. Which might not be bad if said singing had a Polish or German accent (or if its pre-rock pop inflections had some distinction otherwise), but it doesn't.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, the Mooney Suzuki song that paperthinwalls linked to doesn't sound bad as a standalone; it'd be better if it was two minutes shorter (it kinda falls apart by the time the soul-sister backup comes in), but Eric Davidson rightly compares it to the Doobies yet ignores how good a rock album their Matrix one was:

http://paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=406

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

gary numan is the greatest artist in the universe

identify as: mark s (mark s), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I reviewed a Cloud Cult record for some online thing a while back, and I remember kind of liking its textural bias. Don't have the record any more, though. "Advice from the Happy Hippopotamus," and now I remember that I thought they were kinda like Jethro Tull meets Boards of Canada, weird melancholic evocations of lost childhood.

As for Over the Rhine, Chuck, that's a section of downtown Cincinnati that used to be a nice German part of the city and then after whiteflight days of the '50s and '60s turned into pretty much a horrible slum. It might be different now--I lived there in 2002-2003, what a weird place that was, beautiful and in many ways fascinating, a once-major city all sunk in on itself--so that area might be in the throes of urban renewal by now. The German elements in Zinzinnati weren't as obvious by the time I got there, but you could still feel it. Then there's a whole side of town that's settled by people from eastern Ky. and Tenn., the "west side," I think, the city is separated by a big ridge. Where King Records was is just a run-down slum, not much different from where Stax was in Memphis, except you ate "chili" instead of weird tamales and barbecue. Maybe they're changing all that, too. As the band Over the Rhine, never could figure out what the fuss was, boring.

as for almost-country-why-not, Ron Sexsmith. his new one I've tried to like, I mean I like it a little bit and I respect its obvious sincerity and craft, but he's just not much of a singer. He sounds a bit like Jackson Browne, which isn't too bad, and he also sounds uncannily like Ray Davies in spots. he hits the notes but he lacks drama. And the songs are good, but there's just an extra-X element lacking that could take any one of them from OK into really good. he does one about being bummed out by hearing Leadbelly as backdrop for a bookstore ambience kinda thing, and OK, but the obvious riposte is that *his* music does exactly the same thing, it sort of murmurs in that genteel way. Still, he obviously has something, but doesn't in my book deserve the praise he's gotten from lots of people, like, er, No Depression...guy there says his work "not only echoes but rivals that of the Kinks at their most exquisite," but I don't hear it. It's *not* exquisite, is the point, but rather workaday. Maybe I need to be in the right mood, like buying hundreds of dollars worth of books and magazines in Borders while eating a five-dollar muffin and drinking coffee. Plus the Kinks at their best were endearingly crass and Sexsmith doesn't seem to want to ever commit anything so energetic to disc.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

what a weird place that was, beautiful and in many ways fascinating, a once-major city all sunk in on itself--so that area might be in the throes of urban renewal by now. The German elements in Zinzinnati weren't as obvious by the time I got there

I lived there from Kindergarten to 4th Grade, so I guess around 1965 to 1969 or so. Don't remember it much (just like everything else at that time in my life), but the one time I went back to the city in the mid '80s to drop in on Richard R., the greenness and hilliness of its vistas reminded me a lot of Germany around Mainz and Bad Kreuznach, where I'd been stationed in the Army. I should go back again sometime (to both places.) And I should track down that book.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

xxxxk i know you been trying to like otr, you been bragging about how hard youve tried for about four years now but you still dont like them so how good could you be at trying?

ohio is a great fucking record because karin is a great singer and songwriter. their followup drunkard's prayer was a conscious pullback away from karin being in charge of the band; it saved their relationship and linford's fragile ego, but at the cost of her truly being able to be free to cut loose. it was boring and i said so. i saw them on both tours and the last time (after they had supposedly gotten back on track with each other) there was a palpable tension between them onstage, no adoring looks, no chemistry, no nothing. it was really weird. so anyway.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

sexsmith is sort of ubquitious here, sold in second cups, all over the cbc, and i dont think he is as good as any of the american british options

it sounds a bit like the new teddy thompson but thompson is much more beautiful.

pinkmoose (jacklove), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, FALSE ALARM ALERT: The more time I spend with the Cloud Cult CD, the more unpalatably emo they sound to me. But they must have something going for them, just for grabbing me momentarily.

As slightly country-inflected indie rock goes, I'm liking Tigers & Monkeys' Loose Mouth more. Singer is Shonali Bhowmik, formerly of Atlanta-based-I-believe better-than-Breeders mid/late '90s Breeders-like art-pop-rock band Ultrababyfat, and she sings with a bit of a drawl these days. That's the country part, which is negligible but still undeniably there somewhere (and as I recall they list country as an influence) and Shonali also has a knack for repeating non-word syllables musically, in a way that sort of reminds me of Frank Blank from the Pixies a little albeit in a way I can actually stomach. But the songs that are hitting me on the album ("You Know," "Rave On," "Fire Escape" which Shonali sez is the only way out and hot hot hot, "The Ballad of the Smoking Gun" which is not a ballad) are more like if PJ Harvey (in blues-rock mode) was actually fun, and they have a decent push and bounce for indie rock, maybe even an okay one for non-indie rock. Most of the other tracks are less good though, but I haven't taken the album out of the CD changer yet. Here is their myspace if you want to judge for yerself:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=6078986

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

And so yeah, somehow Eddie Money or his producer buffs too much of the rock'n'rolling out of those Soul Survivors and Detroit Wheels and Cannibal & the Headhunters choons. The beat lags, and the vocals seem kinda congested and a wee bit thin; Ed's always been something of an ugly pug vocalwise just like visualwise (mouth at the side of his face), and though his voice has held up better than, say, Bob Seger's, that's not saying all that much. Killer song choice, though.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

I like Tigers and Monkeys, mostly because the songs remind me of the mid-1980s and because she's a good singer and kinda indie-cute, and because of Fred Armisen's cameo in the video for "Fire Escape".

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Eddie Money or his producer buffs too much of the rock'n'rolling out

Or maybe he just needs a better band! Somebody else figure it out.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

na na, Seger's voice has lost some of its range, judging by Face The Promise, but he's still a lot better than Eddie Money, jeezus. Money needs a better him, not just a better band. Speaking of making the most(or enough) of a limited voice, and of Blackie Farrell, Dave Alvin does a good version of Farrell's "Sonora's Death Row," which is regretful, but also excited, when he remembers what he did to get there! (And the music def concurs.)That's on West Of The West, subtitled Songs From California Songwriters. Mostly good, but I won't say more now cos might be reviewing it. When I lived in Louisville, the natives would sometimes come out with some bizarre 'billy thang, story, expression, or just extra twang, to let the yankee know: "You on our side of the river now, Buckeye".(Of course, the Greater Cincinnati Airport was on our side too.) Later, The Pagans' Mike Hudson wrote in CLE about how Ohio citydwellers were always worried about 'billies swarming into town and taking all the jobs, so yeah, not surprised there's a ridge between my mountain kin and others. However (to some extent), country singers from Thurber Country include Bobby Bare and David Allan Coe. H'mmm...

don (dow), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

(Can I include Coe's birthplace of Akron as "Thurber Country," even though Thurber, who was at least as unsettling and sometimes malevolent prescence as Coe ever pretended to be, at least judging by some bios and memoirs of co-workers, like Brendan Gill's Here At The New Yorker, was from Columbus, AKA Cowtown? Yes, cos a state of mind etc, and the Brit crit who summed up the brief Akroncore hype as presenting " a smelly Oz," though didn't mean it in a bad way). Also, Steubenville's own Dean Martin, at least perthose Colletors Choice reissues on xxhuxx's his Nashville ballot. Anthony, I'll check the stripper book and also, do you know about the album Songs From Chippy, stage review of songs by Jo Carol Pierce, Terry Allen, Joe Ely, Butch Hancock, Wayne Hancock, Robert Earl Keen, based on passages from The Chippy Diaries, actual diaries of women who worked the labor camps and boomtowns. And you especially might get into the comic but serious supermarket cosmography of Jo Carol's Bad Girls Upset By The Truth (only way I'll go to Hell is with Jo Carol as my guide).

don (dow), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, Money had way better singles in the '80s than Seger (forget the '90s for both of them). And Seger's grunting on most of his new album is painful. But still, yeah, it is still probably better than Eddie's latest, on ambition alone (plus some of it kinda rocks.) And Bob seemed amazingly nice when I talked to him last fall. (His kids are due to go to West Bloomfield High School, where I went; he lives in Orchard Lake -- presumably on the lake, though I can't absolutely vouch for the latter.) (In the middle of Orchard Lake is Apple Island, which back in high school we were led to believe was the only school-district-owned island in the country, though in retrospect that may well have been a suburban myth.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

Willowz, Chautauqua, coming out on Dim Mak -- definitely more recognizably country than any of the other indie-rock stuff I've been gabbing about here. Also stodgier than most of it. As I recall (somebody should check this) Marcus and Christgau are both fans. I thought their debut EP a couple years ago was kinda fun, and their debut album later was consistently crafty, but this followup's mostly leaving me cold despite (or because of?) moving in a more blues and Appalachian direction. Mostly they sound like White Stripes except less good, except for the song (track #8) where they sound like Smashmouth but less good. #10 had some nice exploratory guitar in it though. (On my advance the song titles are only on the disc, not on the sleeve. Disc's still in changer, but not for long.)

"The Ballad of The Smoking Gun" on Tigers & Monkeys' album has a very cool (and very blatant) Ricky Wilson type guitar twang making it dance. "From Where I Stood" is a nice alt-countryish slow one.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 14 January 2007 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe Willowz sound like the Kills? (Who have never been all that exciting themselves?) (Which reminds me: Don't lots of Royal Trux fans claim White Stripes didn't do anything Royal Trux hadn't done first? Nothing I've ever heard by Royal Trux supports such a claim.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

(so like for instance "siren song" on the willowz album is a blatant old-timey jigging move with run-of-the-mill tuff-blooze-mama yowling atop, no fun at all and a lot less jubilantly poppy than when these kids were actually still kids, as i recall. the smashmouthy track is called "all i need"; the guitar jam is in "choose a side"; etc.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 14 January 2007 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

(so i guess what i'm also trying to get at with a notable lack of coherence is that, whereas those first two willowz records were at least marked by a certain sense of possibility and discovery -- which sense i still hear to some extent in tigers & monkeys etc. -- the new album seems all shtick, and not even interesting shtick at that. though if somebody else hears it otherwise, i'll happily to go back and listen again. as is, they seem like yet another promising band who peaked with their debut EP then slid downhill from there.)

(and p.s: no, smashmouth really aren't very good in the first place.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 14 January 2007 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

looking at all your year-end ballots, i was struck by the complete absence of danielle peck, who made a few of my favorite songs last year (the somewhat sappy but incredibly sexy "kiss you on the mouth," the rocking kiss-off tune "sucks to be you," the rollicking "findin' a good man"). she doesn't show up anywhere on the 2006 rolling country thread either, save for an appearance in a lengthy radio airplay chart that xhuxk posted. did that album simply have no traction, no presence, or did people hear it and not like it?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)


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