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Rockist Dadaismus is leaving out Greatest Hits collections from both decades.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought about including them but neither of them did very well

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmmm, maybe its a UK thing (or a sign of my age, i was born in 79), but over here, apart from the obvious tracks like superstitiion, people seem to remember stevie most for his 80s hits. its sort of like the way people know david bowie best for his lets dance era. in the 80s, both stevie and DB became megastars as opposed to just stars in music.

*prepares to get shot down*

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Wonder recorded a track with Jackson called 'Get It' around '87 iirc. why was it not a hit? (don't say because it was shit, this is hardly a parameter affecting hit status in any shape or form)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

it just struck me as very strange that two of the most adored male artists of the time would release a duet and it wouldn't be a big hit. that wouldn't happen now would it (regardless of the quality of the song)?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

which in turn has reminded me of the whole bizarreness of Jackson, Madonna and Prince never collaborating - I suppose they (inc. the labels) all feared/resented the inevitable ego clash?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I imagine neither Jackson and Prince would not countenance working with a second-rate hoofer who can't sing

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

stevie and MJ did two duets, one on the bad album, one on the characters album. i dont know why they werent hits - just good friends wasnt released as a single, i dont know about the other one. MJ was having huge hits at the time, stevie was doing fine, was it definitely a single?

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i bet they both wanted to do her tho (and her them)

xpost

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Big bucks for sure. Jackson was suppose to be working with Kraftwerk at one point?

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Madonna and Prince never collaborating

Check "this is not a love song" off one of madge's albums. Also, she worked with Jackson on a putative (what does that word mean?) umm, track called "in the closet" which was eventually scrapped for a different 'in the closet'

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

'The goddam bitch is mine'

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The real question is surely why hasn't Paul McCartney recorded a crap duet with Madonna to complete the set

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post- prince and madonne made the quite brilliant love song in 1989 on the like a prayer album. prince also supposedly played guitar on the bside act of contribution. prince was meant to duet on bad with MJ but he said he was against singing 'your butt is mine'.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"The goddam toddler is mine"

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

The real question is surely why hasn't Paul McCartney recorded a crap duet with Madonna to complete the set

A cover of 'Lady Madonna', with Lourdes and Rocco on guest vocals.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

With "Parklife" style mockney dialogue by Guy Ritchie

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite why this hasn't happened I cannot fathom.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

because the wrongness quota was already reached with the little rap in 'American Life' and Macca's latest single respectively

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevie Wonder had a considerably bigger duet hit in the late '80s with Julio Iglesias - the gloopy MoR of "My Love." His own commercial status was waning, which was a shame because Characters is an underrated album and something like a return to his old form.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(bear in mind that this was a period where it was practically illegal to have a number one single in Britain unless you were Kylie or Jason or Jive Bunny)

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Or preferably all three.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

(why did Jive Bunny never do a duet with anyone?)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

the scag made him hostile and untrusting of others

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you saying Jive Bunny chased the dragon and got smacked?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

well that sort of far-fetched scenario would be enough to drive anyone to heroin wouldn't it

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You can jive a bunny to smack but you can't make him shoot up.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

In a mildly unrelated thing, I read that Minnie Driver was part of a trio, called "Smoke, Rocks and Brown" i mean, WTF?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The Bruce Springsteen segment was all about how great he was in the 70's and then Henry Rollins saying that he was mass-merch packaged when Born in the USA came out.

And my wife and I both finished Minnie Drvier's sentence for her when she said, "When that album came out, I was so _____." ("young"|"seven")

what a horrible show.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the last half hour. Of course it's a shit programme, it's on Channel 4, a channel that's gone so downmarket that Burberry wouldn't advertise on it.

All this being said, the correct answer is so clearly Prince that it doesn't need thinking about.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Pre-'In The Closet', MJ liked to refer to Madonna as a "heiffer" who couldn't sing and danced okay. He also got rejected by Prince for 2 duets - one sharing vocals on 'We Are The World' and then Bad as mentioned upthread. Apparently, MJ wanted to play an "are they friends or enemies" publicity game with Prince in on it and then releasing the duet song/video (with song-and-dance-offs present). Prince wasn't up for it even when Quincy set up a couple of meetings between them where they just had stare-offs instead.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

supposedly quincy was also trying to get MJ to look at prince's workrate to inspire him to work quicker. he thought some of that might rub off from prince onto MJ.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

"Can you imagine me doing a song like ['Jack U Off']?"

"Not really, Michael."

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently, Prince brought "voodoo charms" to one of their meetings.

BTW, is it too late for me to call Madonna a 2nd-rate heiffer?

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 10:02 (nineteen years ago) link

might rub off from prince onto MJ

i saw that out of context and now i've got a really vivid and not entirely pleasant mental image. the juxtaposition with the word "splooge" hasn't helped either. eew.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

So, the answers are in:

Blah, blah, blah fluff piece from BBCOnline

To summarise though:

90s - Robbie Williams
80s - Michael Jackson
70s - Queen
60s - Rolling Stones
50s - Cliff Richard

The words "as voted for by the sort of people who vote in these things" springs to mind, although the 10 they had to choose from in each decade were uninspired mostly.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

stupid fucking country

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Christ, that is horrific. Queen for the 70s?!!?!?!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Robbie Williams and Cliff Richard - bookends or what?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Cliff is far more tolerable - what is Cliff's actual ratio of good songs to bad songs do you think?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Very low I'd say. Not that he didn't have a few.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

They're all fucking pantomime acts.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

And I don't mean they're shafting donkeys.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it is wacky old "He's behind you! Where? There!" Britain voting

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i know it's the most cliched thing ever (apart from the man himself) to moan about how over-rated Robbie Williams is in this country, but still - WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU BRITAINLAND?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

We like a trouper, Gawd bless 'em. Queen Mother came down 'ere during the Blitz. Nice cup o' Rosie Lee, luv?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Britain loves losers, can't handle genuinely talented people as winners, shockah

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

This is the country where Michael Barrymore and Ant & Dec have been described, at one point or another, as "national treasures"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Cliff is possibly the closest to being right, although quite how seriously you can take a 50s poll that excludes Hank Williams as a voting option is another matter.

Actually, scratch that - I just checked his official discography and there's only 5 singles and two album of (mainly) covers in the 50s. Aside from "Move It", the singles are pretty patchy. I had always assumed "Lucky Lips" was earlier than 1963.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Hate to be rockist here, but shoulda been Chuck Berrry

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 12 November 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

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