The Magnetic Fields: Classic or Dud?

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Upon reflection, what I find most interesting of all was that most of the press seemed to salute him for his influences rather than his results.

It wasn't just the press - I noticed a lot of my friends and acquaintances doing it (and by "a lot" I mean the 5 people I know who like Stephin Merrit). It was like, "Oh, you should like it, he takes influences from this this and this!" And I'm like, yes, well, Limp Bizkit take influences from this this and this that are all good but I think that Limp Bizkit are shit, why is this different? They never had much of an answer besides "But he's so clever!" which isn't an answer at all.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think I can pin down why I hate them so much (as well as Morrissey): it's the sound of his voice. So twerpy, so geeky, it just makes me want to punch him in the face. Songwriting? I can't even get to that point. Yeah, I'm sure he's fine. But I can't take that voice.

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I quite enjoy his voice. More so than his cohorts on 69LS. The deeper he goes, the better. Ranking the voices on 69LS, I would have to go:

1. Merritt

2. Dudley Klute

3. Shirley Simms

5. Claudia Gonson

4. LD Beghtol

Favorite of alltime would be Susan Amway.

Jeff, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ally, it sounds like your friends are morons. Or maybe just not very articulate music critics, which is probably a good thing.

Nick, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, my friends/former friends who like the Mags are definitely morons.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sean: I thought you were a Smiths fan? Or was it the other Sean who bragged about seeing them in 1983?

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

my new favorite vocal is the Elmer Fuddism of "I Shatter". It reminds me of when Elmer's upset when he thinks that he kills the widdle wabbit. I think that if i shell out the bucks for the better pain pills it will only improve. Putting a speaker at one end of a culvert with my head stuck in the other would be even better... and if a tractor went over it.... bonus! all around!

i forgot this song was at the end of disc 2 today, and it made me feel more messed up than i thought that i was.

I still very much enjoy the album but noticed that many of the ones that seemed more enjoyable today were novelty songs, and wondered if this is a less chemically tolerant, fragile Ween for a moment, despite all of the writing about craftsmanship and history.

badger, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'm still baffled by how expensive it seems to be on the other side of the Atlantic. i mean CDs are usually more expensive in the UK, but Amazon.co.uk has the 3cd set for 15 GBP (21 USD), while Amazon.com has it for 40 USD...

m jemmeson, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You can get it through Merge for $32 US. What label are the Magnetic Fields on in the UK? Maybe that's the big difference.

$70 Can. on sale seems like he was screwed, though. Considering when I'm in Ottawa and I shop at Organised Sound (a store Sundar should be familiar with, as they sell his tape), Merge CDs are $19.99 each, he should've been able to walk off with them for individually for $60 (and usually bundled packs are slightly cheaper than individual releases in general).

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, I'm your friend, Ally, and I like the Magnetic Fields, but that has nothing to do with why I'm a moron. Though I'm sure I never talked about Merritt's influences, because I don't care about them, and because I refuse to say anything complimentary towards the Fields out loud. I like the band because I like Merritt's voice and I like their sound. I can't listen to them in the presence of other people though, then they just sound stupid.

Wheeler, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pinefox - I sort of knew there were problems with my alternate explanation, but you've helped me work out what they are (obligatory disclaimer: all of this only applies to my own take on the music).... I didn't really mean to suggest that there is a radical divide between seriousness and irony in MF's work. I think that irony can *be* deadly serious in that it is a very real emotion that is sincerely felt in real life, and I think that MF are one of the few groups that acknowledge that (although some might say they do so to a fault). As with Neil Tennant (though obviously the two are very different) Merritt's wit is in synthesis as opposed to conflict with his "experience", and to extricate one from the other would cause the experience to cease to be Merritt's, which is why I've never felt that his lyrics are any less personal than any other songwriter.

It's the fact that most of MF's witticisms are self-puncturing that makes them so insightful, so persuasive, so raw and personal; as someone who tends to overanalyse myself to extremes, I can sympathise with Merritt's refusal to divorce his intellect from his emotion - is "World Music" a meta-joke or plain heartbreaking? It's both, and all the better for being so.

Tim, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Of course I meant "World Love".

I know what you mean, Otis - anyone who's ever been in the same room as me when I've played Magnetic Fields has used it as an excuse to complain about my music tastes ("You've got so many cds - how none of them are any good?").

Tim, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, I'm your friend, Ally, and I like the Magnetic Fields, but that has nothing to do with why I'm a moron

Wheeler, maybe if you stopped listening to the MFs, you wouldn't be a moron anymore. Did you ever think about that?

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm sure it would take more than that. I haven't listened to them at all in the last six months, have you noticed any improvement?

Wheeler, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That was $70 including tax. $60 + 15% tax = $69. Regular (non-sale) price was $70 + tax, which might still be the going price at Record Runner.

When I bought the set at Record Runner 2 years ago, Organised Sound didn't stock it yet (usually go there before RR) and I don't think anyone else in Ottawa did either. I think it was still an import at the time. Don't know if it still is now.

I'm guessing that $32 * exchange rate + shipping + taxes (?) would still come out to at least $50.

Am I acquainted with you offline Vic?

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm sure it would take more than that. I haven't listened to them at all in the last six months, have you noticed any improvement?

Wheeler, believe me, the improvements have been vast and numerous. I mean, in the past six months, you've gone from your Potion Lounge performance to the way you behave now, which is lots better - I mean, you are the King of Hampshire College. AND your taste in music has improved, you now carry around those great mix CDs we listened to on the way to Orient Point, whereas just a few months ago it was that godawful Turbonegro CD all the time. If you stay off the Mags long enough, you might become like the next Derek Jeter or something - all your life problems, solved.

Though not listening to the Mags has added a disturbing tendency to ditch me and Ramon to hang with Stephanie, who is moving into an artist wherehouse full of weird diaper wearing freaks and mannequins.

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, I've noticed that too.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dude, I didn't know you knew Wheeler that well.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dude, I know like everything about Wheeler. I decided today that he is my best friend 4eva and eva, with or without his approval. He practically lives with us, sometimes at least.

But this has nothing to do with Stephin Merrit!

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ally: I was talking to nitsuh. It was supposed to be a sort of comedy of errors thing where I took his agreement with the point about not listening to 69LS improving life in general for agreement with your point about not listening improving Wheeler's specifically. Then you went and made it a real comedy of errors. Ah well.

Back on topic, I do think that not listening to sad indie music makes you stop being a sad indie person. No?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Actually, Sterling, I was already poking fun at Ally for having veered off into a personal/social discussion -- by pretending to have an opinion on the matter of Otis' personal life. So the original comedian = me.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is all very funny now.

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Um, how is it my fault that it veered into personal discussion again? Indeed, I still think it's a salient point: listening to music like this makes you a more sad person, and I want someone to contradict me. All the people I know who heavily listen to the MFs were easily WORSE people when they listened heavily to this claptrap, so I want to know why this is.

ALly, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I wasn't saying it was your fault, Ally (although it was), or that it was even a bad thing (cause it wasn't). It was just one of those jokes, like when a woman says "My bra is too tight" and then a guy says "Yeah, mine too," in jest. You were all like "doo doo doo" about Otis's personal life, so I was all like, "Yeah, totally."

That said, I was a much happier person back when I was a more frequent Mag Fields listener (although you probably would have said I was a "sadder" person in your opinion -- but then again, you'd probably still do that now). Come to think of it, I can't think of a single Mag Fields song that I've ever interpreted as "sad."

Nitsuh, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, I KNOW you were kidding but no one will ever get back to discussing the topic at hand if I keep going along with the joke. I mean, seriously, do a search on Google and look up "ally otis" and you will be horrified by those threads from back in the day. We were the reason ILE was created, cos we talked too much crap and derailed everything.

I don't mean sad like necessarily actually miserable or sad...It's hard to define, maybe "wanker" is a better term. I fully acknowledge the possibility that this is merely because the people I know are wankers and nothing to do with the Magnetic Fields.

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I'll admit that there's a large Mag Fields moron contingent, and I suspect they're all people who (a) don't know any music apart from pop music, (b) think pop music is "dumb" and they are "smart," and therefore don't like music at all, and then (c) read about 69 Love Songs and for some reason assumed that Merritt was just taking the piss out of music in general, and therefore loved the record.

I.e., they're sort of like really huge They Might Be Giants fans -- people who could never make any serious emotional connection to music, and therefore only like music that's deliberately self- conscious and jokey and awkward about the fact that it even is music.

I saw the first of their 69-song Chicago shows, and there were a number of people like this in the audience, who seemed to expect that the show would be, like, comedic or something. They somehow thought Mag Fields were joke-rock.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There might be many such 'wankers' (if that's what they are) with MFs records. But there might be even more such 'wankers' who like Kylie Minogue, or Nick Drake, or Stereolab, or Daft Punk, or god knows what. This particular conception of the fans is basically a red herring, I think, and it's unfair to the band to go on about it.

the pinefox, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why exactly are the MF (and their fans) superior to TMBG in this regard? I'm not sure that "Birdhouse In Your Soul" or "Whistling In the Dark" are less touching or aesthetically pleasing than "World Love" or "Meaningless."

sundar subramanian, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know much about TMBG, but I have 'Lincoln' and a couple of other things and Nitsuh's dig at them struck a false note for me. Based on that, they're not the emotional retards who sneer at pop music you seem to have them down as. 'Ana Ng', 'I've got a match', 'They'll need a crane' - these are super-emotionally charged. I think people make assumptions based on his nasal voice and their geeky looks. P.S. Yes I know 'Birdhouse in your soul' was annoying.

Nick, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hold on, everyone -- my statement was largely unconnected to the quality of the bands' work. (I see now that my phrasing was a little bad, and sort of implied that -- but that's not how I meant it.) I like both bands, to differing extents. I was just noting that there's a particular strain of listener who gravitates solely to pop music that they perceive as a big gag on the whole concept of pop music, and the only explanation for this that I can see is that they either (a) haven't heard much good, current music, and therefore have never had the experience of forming non- jokey emotional connections with current music in general, or (b) just aren't really comfortable with the idea of music as a serious emotional or intellectual tool.

Best exemplified by someone I know's reaction to a sort of house-y track on the new TMBG album, which involved a lot of amazed giggling: "Whoah, check it out, they're doing a dance track!" To which I wanted to reply something like: "You know, there are thousands of whole albums that are entirely house music, but you won't dream of listening to any of those." It's this weird "I only listen to music as parody" kind of phenomenon, but I don't think it should reflect too poorly on the bands involved, and only covers a limited portion of their fanbases.

Nitsuh, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, right. Then I agree, yeah.

Nick, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Highway Strip: problem of 'detachment' etc possibly fades away. The thing is mostly in Merritt's dreamy / surreal / quite *serious* mode (as, to some extent, was first LP). (Obvious example: 'Crowd of Drifters'.)

The whole comic / pastiche etc thing, this convinces me, is *one aspect* of the MFs, which is really mainly a 69LS issue. (TCotHS = staggeringly significant LP, as Steady Mike has been insisting for ages before I went near the thing.)

the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
I don't know if this should go here or on Jeff W's why-do-you-change- your-mind thread but I take back all the bitter things I said. I just started appreciating the Magnetic Fields more than I ever did before. Even all the songs I used to skip make sense now. I even got really into "Acoustic Guitar". The basic pattern of my relationship with a band is initial awestruck infatuation -> disillusionment and estrangement -> time to develop new perspectives - > tentative curious second approach -> deeper understanding and appreciation than at first -> comfortable companionship.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It'll end in tears, you realize. You forgot the step about coming home one day and seeing your copy of whatever disc you have engaged in carnal activities with some fresh-faced college radio DJ who's just discovered it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I even got really into "Acoustic Guitar".
There's hope for me yet. I can't stand that song & it's a good illustration of why I can't get into MF.

Mark, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

For some reason I keep gravitating towards the synth-y songs on "69 Love Songs", or songs that sound like they could have been on "Get Lost" ("Epitaph of My Heart" maybe.) Then again I keep rediscovering "Get Lost"; "Get Lost"! Fuck! What a great album that was. For some reason the cheap and bare drum machine sound on "All the Umbrellas in London" can hit me harder than all the live cello on "69...". Or the black-and-white-horror-film feel of "Smoke and Mirrors" vs half the songs on "69...". Something about those synths is so effective somehow.

geeta, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mark, please explain re: Acoustic Guitar. You find it too distanced? I find it quite wonderful, and on a basic musical level at least, faultless.

Ally C, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm guessing it's because it's treacly twee with clunky lyrics and weak little-girl vocals. But I like it now.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

treacly twee with clunky lyrics and weak little-girl vocals

Tallulah Gosh?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's nowt weak about Amelia's pipes. Quite a set, I say.

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mark, please explain re: Acoustic Guitar.
Well, I agree that it has a nice melody, but the words take me right out of it. There is no truth (What sentiment is the song trying to capture? I've never thought about anything even remotely like this when somebody left me), no humor ("...you were the one who could make here move her cute little bum" -- this is not funny to me), just cleverness. And something about the atmosphere of the song is so cloying.

"The Death of Ferdinand de Saussure" is awesome, though. The "Holand/Dozier/Holland" lyric knocks me out. Maybe I'll come around on the rest someday.

Mark, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
All I have listened to is the song 100,000 fireflies, and I found its lyrics to be amusing, but its sound became very annoying quickly. Yet, I still read most of this thread and am further amused by the amount of time and thought you [people] put into think about music.

BadAssFrey, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, it's depressing isn't it? I mean, when we could be thinking about football and paying bills, right?

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
I am enjoying the 69 Love Songs by the Magnetic Fields and I find Stephen Merritt to be the American Lawrence. The music sounds like it's made on toys and his curious droney vocal inflection transforms all his genre experiments into a singular, distinctive self-style.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 13 September 2002 02:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
http://stephinsources.blogspot.com/

If you're asking, "Ernest, aren't you a little bit obsessive?", the answer is yes.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link

They're classic when he's not being mawkish. Merritt has the same problem Rufus Wainwright does: his taste for the lachrymose brings out the worst in his drippy voice.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

but merritt went years, and several albums, before he developed that occasional mawkish inclination. for most of his career he was aggressively unsentimental. and his most recent and obvious sentimental moment, "it's only time," earns its keep by being a really great song.

rufus, who i like but not nearly as much, has an entirely separate problem. it's not mawkishness. it's that he isn't a very good lyricist.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Merritt had other singers voice his mawkish tendencies. The 6ths projects, for instance, have always seemed excuses to give his weepiest tunes to the coolest singers

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

wow, i hear the 6ths totally differently than you do. admittedly, i don't listen to the second 6ths album very much, or ever, 'cause it's just not that good. but i think wasps' nests is a pretty great pop record, and there's nothing mawkish or weepy about "aging spinsters" or "when i'm out of town" or "dream hat" or "san diego zoo." bitter, yes. cynical, yes. sad, yes, quite often. (and quite often funny, too.) but not weepy in an even remotely mawkish way. it'd be easy to accuse merritt of being too clever or smart-assed or too wrapped up in his classic-american-songwriter songform dreams, but mawkish? nah.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't own "Wasps' Nests" – I just own the second one which, admittedly, I don't play at all – but most of the 6ths material seemed second-tier: at best pleasant throwaways to give the wonderful Sarah Cracknell and Bob Mould decent material, at worst platforms for the likes of Marc Almond and Gary Numan.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link


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