rank the songs on STICKY FINGERS

Sway solo is so tasty

First time Jagger plays electric rhythm on a track.

played this for my one year old the other day and his mind was blown.

Moonlight Mile is the tune for me that years after having the record grew on me as a favorite. "Oh I'm sleeping under strange, strange skies..."

Paul Buckmaster's strings sound really good on Moonlight Mile too.

"that demon-life"

sway
can’t you hear me knocking
moonlight mile
wild horses
brown sugar
dead flowers
bitch
sister morphine
you gotta move
i got the blues

charlie watts is a fucking awesome drummer

wild horses
sway
dead flowers
moonlight mile
can't you hear me knocking
sister morphine
brown sugar
i got the blues
you gotta move

can't go wrong with any of the first 7 imo. and listening again, i got the blues is a bit better than i remember.

oh, and bitch slots in under brown sugar

sway
brown sugar
moonlight mile
you gotta move
dead flowers
bitch
wild horses
sister morphine
can't you hear me knocking
i got the blues

'Moonlight Mile'
'Sway'
'Brown Sugar'
'Wild Horses'
'Can't You Hear Me Knocking'
'Sister Morphine'
'You Gotta Move'
'Bitch'
'Dead Flowers'
'I Got the Blues'

man none of us really like i got the blues--that organ tone tho!

I had it #5 and I stand by my ranking. If it’s good enough for Solomon Burke it’s good enough for me.

i really like every song on this record

'I Got the Blues' isn't bad, but it's on Sticky Fingers.

yeah i mean i have it 9th, such a great record. their 68-72 period is still the most mind-boggling stretch of musical greatness ever, to my ears.

The love for "Sway" has to be a top 10 favorite thing about ILM for me.

charlie watts is a fucking awesome drummer

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, April 19, 2019 1:48 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As evidenced by the fact that he can't do a unsloppy fill to save his life and his best drumming on record was actually done by Jimmy Miller.

Can't You Hear Me Knocking
Bitch
Brown Sugar
Wild Horses
Sway
Sister Morphine
Dead Flowers
Moonlight Mile
I Got The Blues
You Gotta Moo

― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican),Friday, December 9, 2016 10:33 PM (two years ago)Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I pretty much stand by this ranking. I like 'I Got The Blues' a lot.

who needs fills?

sloppy fills in sloppy songs are the best

"sway" has the best of everything

Fortunately Watts has other songs in which he's excellent and Jimmy Miller is nowhere in sight.

I got the blues is top 3 for me!

Sway
Can't you hear me knocking
I got the blues
Moonlight Mile
You've gotta move
Bitch
Sister Morphine
Brown Sugar
Dead Flowers
Wild Horses

Fortunately Watts has other songs in which he's excellent and Jimmy Miller is nowhere in sight.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, April 19, 2019 3:45 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll give him 'Midnight Rambler' which is a very good performance - otherwise, for me, the worst of all the "name" '60s drummers.

Ginger Baker is the worst of the "name" 60s drummers

The worst personality, sure, but had no issues with staying in time or drum fills and didn't sound like he'd never seen, let alone played a drumkit before. I'm sure he could have picked up the totally uncomplicated rhythm of 'Ventilator Blues' without having Bobby Keys beside him clapping to keep him in time. He didn't need Jimmy Miller to play cowbell for him to keep him in time either.

I'm sure there's no way that Ginger Baker would have allowed the painful flub on 'I'm Free' (which ruins the track as much as the out of tune bass ruins 'She Smiled Sweetly') to leave the studio either.

Charlie Watts (and Ringo, but more Charlie) definitely the most overrated of the '60s drummers. Mick Avery probably the most underrated. Ginger the most adventurous, but that came after Cream.

I do think it is interesting that the Stones sound that everybody can recognize really didn't coalesce until the '70s. And the wind-up monkey harlie style that everybody recognizes probably not till the mid- to late 70s.

I've never actually thought twice or even once about Watts' drumming for good or ill, but he doesn't overplay so he's good in my book

he doesn't overplay so he's good in my book

The anti-Ginger.

Ginger doesn't overplay either, at least on Cream's studio stuff.

Agree with Josh that Mick Avory is underrated, I've always loved his playing. 'Everybody's Gonna Be Happy' is a great example.

He's irritating as hell on the Blind Faith album.

not to derail -- moe is probably the most anti of the anti-ginger (if "ginger" = all bro pro attitude tech chops asshole type drummer)
imo

If Ringo and Watts are overrated, then pray tell me what drummers would hve suited their bands?

can't believe these dudes have another compilation out today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honk_(album)

In the case of the former, I think Ringo was entirely suitable for The Beatles. While I do think that Josh is OTM regarding the tendency of people to overrate Ringo, I think the reason for this is simply because he was underrated for so long. He's a good drummer, at least on the Beatles stuff, while being no Baker, Mitchell or Avory.

For the latter - Jimmy Miller, of course.

It's worth pointing out that I think Keith Moon is overrated for completely different reasons to why I think Watts isn't much cop.

It's bizarre that I have to defend "feel" on rock 'n' roll on ILM in 2019, but I can't imagine Miller coming up with Watts' part in "Honky Tonk Women" or a studio drummer doing the rolls in "Get Off of My Cloud."

Ventilator Blues is pretty tricky as a beat, especially assuming that it's a song that was written on the fly while recording and not labored over in practice. my rhythm sense is pretty on point and it's a little tough.

additionally the sick fills on "loving cup" are not played by jimmy miller

Ringo's place in the Beatles is moot, because he of course was the "right" drummer. But, for example, even Paul was probably a better drummer, and he was in the band.

Stones ... yeah, Jimmy Miller was as good or better than Watts. Or, I dunno, Kenny Jones, makes a better Watts replacement than Keith Moon replacement.

Of course, neither of the above were bad, per see, unlike, say, Michael Clark from the Byrds. But they weren't essential to the band the way, say, Keith Moon was to the Who. But both Charlie and Ringo know how to stay out of the way and never make a song *worse*, which is better than many!

additionally the sick fills on "loving cup" are not played by jimmy miller

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, April 19, 2019 12:50 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm the drumming on that song is perfect

are you suggesting Miller and Jones should have replaced Watts? Really?

So many intangibles affect the direction in which bands go that to speculate about how this scab or that replacement would've fared is Hoffman board crap. Miller's appropriate and on-point performances on several tracks don't answer how he would've fared with Jagger and Richards telling him how to play. Daryl Jones has been the band's bassist for almost twenty-five years -- a man who played with Miles Davis. Not once has he embarrassed himself, yet I can't think of a single part that's enlivened a dull song the same way that, say, Bill Wyman did (and, yeah, I'm aware that Richards, Ronnie, and Mick Taylor subbed for him a couple times per record).

This conversation is insane.

No! Watts is great! Just ... overrated.

Example #4567 while I never use under/overrated in conversation or writing. Over/under compared to whom?

How is Charlie Watts overrated? People have been dissing his drumming for decades!

are you suggesting Miller and Jones should have replaced Watts? Really?

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, April 19, 2019 5:59 PM (seven minutes ago)Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kenney Jones in the '60s would have been amazing in the Stones.

Now there's an underrated drummer!

It's bizarre that I have to defend "feel" on rock 'n' roll on ILM in 2019, but I can't imagine Miller coming up with Watts' part in "Honky Tonk Women" or a studio drummer doing the rolls in "Get Off of My Cloud."

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, April 19, 2019 5:45 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Miller plays cowbell on 'Honky Tonk Women', not because it sounded good (it just so happened to), but it was to keep Watts in time.

On 'Get Off of My Cloud', Watts actually slows down which wrecks the energy of the track. No, a studio drummer would not have done that.