anyone saying 2.5 to me feels like they're really pushing against the grain of history or just have a distaste for their work idk
yeah, disliking the majority of a band's music pretty much means you have a distate for their work.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
resist aligning their whole schtick with my music taste personally
― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
"I realize how similar Billy's curated 'hodgepodge' mentality is to Pavement's record collector nerd mentality, but without any of the coy / pretentious pose."
wait, why are pavement pretentious? they were totally fun and goofy. i also don't get the coy part. they weren't shrinking violets.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
There are probably about 5 songs that I like enough that I won't change the radio station if I'm driving, I guess that's worth about .5 good per song, none of these are their biggest hits though so I never hear them anyway.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
Smashing PumpKing's X might be a tribute band that could do well w/a v specific demographic
― scott seward, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:37 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i don't really get that at all
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
or i should say i think flapz just wanted to talk shit abt pavement and drag em into the pumpking patch
post/username combinations I have enjoyed xxp
― imago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
princesscarolyn.jpg
― imago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
As someone who was a teenager in the 90s in North America, I had a lot of friends who were really into the Smashing Pumpkins so I heard a lot of their stuff, but never really got into it that much. Always seemed like it was never quite as good as everybody was saying it was.
All that being said, I guess I'd probably be defending this band right now if in 1995 I had put my limited funds towards randomly buying Melon Collie the month it came out instead of some other well reviewed or hyped album (Garbage?). That's just how these things go.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
been meaning to relisten to garbage again
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
so have I. I keep listening to other stuff though.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
that happy when it rains song is good
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
Really, I've been meaning to critically reevaluate (privately, in my mind) everything I've ever liked.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
you should actually start a thread and chronicle this reevaluation in minute detail culminating in a poll
― sarahell, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
pavement had at least 8 great songs. and lots of good ones.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
zero good smashing pumkings song forever
ty for this thread some of us who hate this fuckin band need it
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
despite all yr rage iirc
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
I'm struggling through Mellon Collie and it's basically just this sea of bad music with two toweringly brilliant epics in the middle - TTEOR especially feels like the work of a different band
my theory is that they didn't have enough collective energy to fully work through their songs, so they put a lot into a few of them and basically knocked the rest out without really thinking. like, Zero is a nice idea that could really go somewhere and...doesn't. and then again that's one of the rare good ideas to begin with. most of these songs don't seem to have had much put into the original conception
― imago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
have you struggled through pisces iscariot
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
I can provide a Paypal address?
― imago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
i don't own it but have u tried the internet?
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
Pumpkins are over and done but have boatloads of great songs.
What most amuses me is how a topic like this actually brings all the ilm boys to the yard, in 2018. Well played NV, well played.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
my gourd is better than yours
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:18 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
im basically saying i dont buy into the mythic grandeur of the Pumpkins project but i do think they made a decent number of good songs, idk what's weird abt that
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps3SQJhn1aI
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
I agree with D-40 on the "there is no mythic grandeur to this high grift" but disagree on the "is even one note of theirs worth playing twice" position
have felt like the world was trolling me on this band for two-plus decades now, Christ they suck
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
Your outright hatred surprises me. I mean, you can think they suck, for sure, but it's almost as if it's personal.
You're such diametrical opposites it's hard for me to grasp why you'd invest in hatred for this band instead of, y'know, shrug it off. (though I will always defend your right to hate bands with a passion, obviously)
xp to j0hn
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
Heard Garbage pink and orange albums today at the gym. They have at least 2.5 good songs in them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
Garbage One: Vow and Stupid Girl are 1.5. Queer and Only Happy When it rains a .5 each.
2.0: the first four singles are a .5 each. The rest of the album a .5
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
if you don't like their music, you have to at least give billy some credit. he had a good contract while playing the human brother in Small Wonder, and he could have sat on those millions.
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
Never liked Stupid Girl.
just started listening to this album (garbage). Supervixen is reasonably enjoyable, looking at the track list, I'm remembering that "As Heaven is Wide" is the track I liked a lot. I'll post an update when I get there.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
Supervixen, OHWIR, Vow and Stupid Girl would have been a stellar EP
― imago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
Rest of the album isn't too bad either. Much better than any SP record anyway
how were the ideas, though?
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link
You don't like Siamese Dream, imago? I'm actually a little surprised.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link
LJ, I refuse to believe you really think the second disc of Mellon Collie is a "sea of shit". It simply must tickle even your specific progge fancy.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
(you said sea of bad music, sorry :)
does the drummer use sticks to strike the drum heads? that seems like a fine idea for any song.
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
Siamese Dream never really clicked with me although I'll probably try it out again. Is it Soma that's the OK one, or Hummer? I forget haha
Second side of Mellon Collie has better hit-rate than first. Apart from the enormous Ruby we've got...I mean, TOASE is pleasingly abrasive, as is XYU, and By Starlight is nice I guess
― imago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
"Soma" and "Hummer" are probably my two favourites.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
Soma Hummer, happened so fast
― Big Ched aka The Cheesedriver (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
Hummer is my fave SP song, just before 'Set the Ray to Jerry'. Love the great music this band gave me when 16, but also luv2laugh at all this. NV on the ~Zeitgeist~ yall.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
Billy playing all the bass parts etc in the studio just confirmed his place as the shit yank Noel Gallagher
― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
dmac mercilessly calling out bonehead and guigsy itt
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
iet
― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
what can I say, I was in my early 20s when they became successful, and I was like...the last ten years of work in the underground are yielding...this??? and then people signing onto it when the dude has never written a lyric worth remembering
I take shit this bad personally, yeah
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
my boredom has outshone the sunit's so dumbI just want to have somelittle fun*guitar solo*
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
we made out to cupid de lockewe slam danced to cherub rock*guitar solo*
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
I can relate to JCLC's hatred of BC's lyrics, but I do think some of the Adore era stuff is actually pretty strong in this regard, definitely helped along by the fact that it was driven by genuine loss as opposed to the usual petty treacheries. There was some unity of delivery, content and intent there I don't think is matched on any of the other records.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:00 (six years ago) link