wow, did this thread start being interesting and entertaining?
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
I like Charli XCX a lot but "Boys" sounds like my daughter playing Smashy Road and is dull, that is my complaint
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
well she wasprollythinkinbout
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 04:06 (six years ago) link
Yeah I don't see ILM as being particularly poptimist, ogmor and boxedjoy OTM basically. None of the top four songs appeared on even a quarter of the ballots submitted (although I'm not sure how that compares to previous years' winners) and I'm not seeing loads of pop-only ballots on the stats thread. (Did anyone vote for all of them? FWIW I voted for Boys, love New Rules and am indifferent to the other two). People have varied tastes and I think the overall results bear this out.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 10:45 (six years ago) link
If the list was full of the Chainsmokers and Ed Sheeran then the handwringers might have a point, otherwise I'm just assuming it's another "eww girls pop music" kneejerk reaction and leave it there.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 10:59 (six years ago) link
Those aren’t pop songs, they didn’t reach the top of the poll and I think girls have cooties. QED.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link
Yeah, it's interesting. I never heard the Charli XCX or CRJ songs before this. Acc to Wikipedia, the latter didn't chart anywhere other than Japan and the former didn't chart at all in the US, reaching #60 in Canada and #30 in the UK. They also do sound different from the chart pop music I hear all the time. It's like a completely new kind of 'indie pop' or something. That said, "Boys" also sounds like garbage to me so pomenitul OTM if that is his point.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
My suspicion is that the very occupation of engaging with music as a critic or connoisseur is ultimately incompatible with trve kvlt poptimism/populism.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
Pomentiful - no offence dude but any definition of pop that excludes ED SHEERAN could probably do with being loosened a bit.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
Looks like we're dealing with different definitions of pop here. Those sales are high enough and the songs themselves poppy enough to qualify as pop in my book given how cramped the charts are and how much music (and the kinds of music) they necessarily leave out (read: marginalize).
As for trve kvlt poptimism, I don't know. I feel like it's compatible with a theory-minded, discursive outlook no less than with an 'unconscious' one depending on the context. Different definitions here as well.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
xp
Btw, I agree that Ed Sheeran counts as pop music. If anything, it's your definition that strikes me as overly narrow, since it assumes that only the most commercial of the commercial should have made the top of the poll for ILM to qualify as poptimist. I think of poptimism as being more flexible than that, but correct me if I'm wrong?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I mean Charli XCX and CRJ qualify as 'pop' relative to Rez Abbasi or Barbara Hannigan. They just don't strike me as what someone would come up with if their primary interest was in celebrating what is currently most popular or fashionable; imo someone who picks those as their favourites of last year is coming from a distinct aesthetic pov, one that is somewhat at odds with the present-day mass audience's (although less so than someone who votes for Barbara Hannigan).
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
celebrating
Or even critiquing for that matter
xps
It's definitely a different strand, I agree, it's just… not different enough? To each their own, I suppose.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
How about someone who votes for both XCX and Hannigan?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
8)
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
These polls are never really going to mainly cater to your or my tastes. I just make a ballot to get myself to review the year and check out a couple of new things; I think of the final results as a resource and check out the odd thing that seems like it might be interesting. There are always a couple of good things in there. xp to pomenitul
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
That's my general attitude as well, I'm just trying to live up to this thread's promise.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
Ha, good work then.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
Back on topic! Colleen record is giving me horrendous foreshudders of KAS' arrival at some point on Thursday
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
^^^that should sell it to a few of you
This innoccuous indie-synth record seems to bother you a lot.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
oh i quite liked that KAS album
― nxd, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
the innocuousness of it is what gets me down I think! anyway if you like muzakburbling synths that convey the sea or whatever then hey go wild
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
plop plop
― nxd, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link
The Kid would have been alright if it hadn't been for her voice. She should stick to instrumentals.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
yeah the kas thread is full of criticisms like this ^^^ and they're all wrong
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
I like that record just fine fwiw, somebody I played it for thought it was The Knife
― sleeve, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
Not sure Colleen and Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith have much in common...well one thing I guess.
― omar little, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
fuck off
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
the records really don't have much in common
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
was resenting insinuations that i'm a misogynist tbh
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
i like muzak , what of it, punk
https://www.discogs.com/Farbror-Resande-Mac-Farbror-Resande-Mac-LP/master/1157850
― brimstead, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
both colleen and KAS lack sufficient hubris to catch LJ's ear obv
pomenitul we may have failed to win james morrison's heart but I appreciate your efforts to flesh out a substantial aesthetic theory. I considered starting a separate thread to debate context and so on but I think ilm's appetite is limited and there's a special pleasure to shitting up the shit talking thread.
I see the sort of strangeness you're talking about as a lack of familiar context (and/or the suggestion of unfamiliar contexts), which is why our sense of the strangeness of any given bit of music varies. the strangeness is relational, it doesn't make sense to me to pin it just on the object, or the observer. contexts can disrupt each other, I suppose, as your focus shifts, but you seem to be talking about something necessary rather than experiential. similarly, other than in a conceptual, logical sense separated from the experience of listening, I don't see room for a necessarily unfinished/indeterminate quality to (some? all?) music. or maybe you're just talking about how things imply their own absence/negation and thinking that any one way of hearing will necessarily be limited and finite & tinged with that lack, which I would agree with, I suppose, although it doesn't effect my enjoyment of pop one way or the other
― ogmor, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
LJ I was merely suggesting you feel prey to the common mistake of comparing two musicians who are very different perhaps bc they are women, but that doesn't mean you dislike them bc they're women, or make you misogynist. But I apologize and take it back bc now I remember you comparing Hurray for the Riff Raff to The Hold Steady and maybe your comparison game, regardless of gender, is simply mystifying to me.
― omar little, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
I'm perpetually baffled by LJ's dislike of LAS. It sounds like music tailor-made for him.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
fair, fair. sorry, didn't want to be obnoxious there :(
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
actually the new KAS has for maybe 3-second periods made me think 'hm' in a not entirely negative way
― imago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
I would think "Rare Things Grow" from EARS would totally be your jam, although it does have repetitions.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
It has some sweet sax work.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
I'm a bit baffled with the KAS hyperbole. I'm prepared for it to be the fact that I haven't put the work in, but I hear the picturesque when I'm promised (given the levels of appreciation) the sublime: it's pretty enough, but there's no punctum there. That might well be the point.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
all good, LJ!
― omar little, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
ogmor, I hear you re: the 'special pleasure to shitting up the shit talking thread'.
We still don't see eye to eye when it comes to aesthetics (not that I was trying to convert you or anyone else to my idiosyncratic premises) but it seems you now have a better understanding of what I was trying to express and likewise, I think I get where you're coming from.
Lest this appear too positive, let us resume the dissing. I'm sure the album poll thread will provide plenty of fodder throughout the coming days.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
do you even enjoy listening to music
― brimstead, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
i'll just get this out of the way: most of the 2017 music is bad― brimstead, Friday, December 15, 2017 3:58 PM (one month ago)
― brimstead, Friday, December 15, 2017 3:58 PM (one month ago)
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
Pomenitul is A+ on Shostakovich. xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
Can I just get the thread back on track by pointing out the latest Ulver album is a massive pile of shit.
― you can make fun of birthday parties all you want (ultros ultros-ghali), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
Apart from 1969. I like that track.
― you can make fun of birthday parties all you want (ultros ultros-ghali), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
you said this on the album thread too and you're still wrong
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link