Top 100s, I meant. I agree that without individual ballots showing, the whole thing is close to moot. I don't think my declining to tabulate was the cause of this, although it can't have helped. Mainly the change in corporate ownership meant that they couldn't use the old database/publishing system any more, so all processes had to be recreated from scratch. Given that, I was a little surprised they went through with it at all, and not at all surprised that they stuck to just publishing the flat list. Data publishing in a blog-post world is hard.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I remember whatever system they had ca. 2007(?) broke? I don't know if they ever updated it, but it would make some logical sense that it would not be too functional after who knows how many redesigns and CMS changes. I wouldn't blame any media company for not wanting to go through the cost in money and man hours to build/rebuild a functional list
― somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
My 20 points helped keep Paramore in the top 50 and my 15 points kept the Regrettes in the top 90. So, yay.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
"publishing" the results without much comment alongside a state of the union by a septuagenarian rock critic vs not doing it at all
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
the accompanying cardi gif is v v badhttp://villagevoice.freetls.fastly.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/VillageVoice-CardiB-MarinaEsmeraldo.gif
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
I emailed the person who assisted me with my login asking if they would post ballots. Will post any response I get.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
christgau's essay ultimately lands on and closes with what he considers to be the political albums of the year: Mount Eerie and Randy Newman
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
Top 100s, I meant. I agree that without individual ballots showing, the whole thing is close to moot.
otm. I know it probably doesn't matter much to most of the readership, but as a participant, I have no idea why I would continue to vote. Not because I want to see my ballot published, but for the cross-referencing, etc.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
Yeah, it's mostly about the individual ballots for me too; keep 'em coming. Losing access to the database sounds like a real good alibi, although I just now googled something I wrote in the 90s and it was still on there (still, there have indeed been enough shakeups over the years that I set up my own blogspot archive). Maybe they just don't have access to the numbers etc. But mostly why I'm posting this: Just under the villagevoice.com search results were many more voice items at openlibrary.org, which, if you pay for it to open, apparently will present the sound recordings (sic) mentioned in reviews and in Pazz & Jops (of the 90s, anyway, which is where I was looking). I didn't spring for it, so no idea how thorough this is, or whether it works at all (didn't see the text of my 90s piece, or of the P&Js; maybe that's part of what you pay for).
― dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
I don't even remember my ballot, fwiw
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
dow, think about the time it would take to format/post/hyperlink like 100 ballots from scratch, let alone connect them to individual pages for each song and album.
Without a custom CMS, forget it
― somebody toucha my fgti (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
Even with help from a program that generates HTML for albums based off IDs, receiving and processing merely/roughly 400 albums and singles (for a simple one-page feature) is a mite arduous.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I don't mean to imply that anyone should do this from scratch, or at all--and certainly not demanding links to all the songs ever mentioned on all the ballots of all the polls---but rather that openlibrary.org seems to be implying that they/their gigslaves have done something like this.
― dow, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
Did yall see this? Mostly not that surprising, but some I'd forgotten about:https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/01/22/pazz-jop-top-10-albums-by-year-1971-2016/?utm_source=Village+Voice+Music&utm_campaign=f5027b4451-Music+Newsletter+1%2F19%2F2018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_58e5ed4fcb-f5027b4451-58804241
― dow, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
Coldplay!?
― dow, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
I was surprised by the scarcity of hip hop in the mid-90s. No Illmatic for instance. Also I didn’t know Steely Dan was so dominant in the 70s.
― o. nate, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
They published a bunch of voter comments the other day. Still no ballots though.
― geoffreyess, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
Also a profile of L'Rain! Thought it was a P+J feature for a second, then remembered that album only placed in my imagination :(
― geoffreyess, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
if pazz and jop let me vote it might have ;)
― imago, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
I only gave it 7 points. Wish I'd voted more strategically.
― geoffreyess, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
Wow, I got a comment posted.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/01/25/pazz-jop-comments-further-listening/
― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
Not sure how, but i got two—one on lorde and one on club chai.
― austinb, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
Mine mentioned a few of my Afro-southern faves who don’t get mentioned as Americana
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link
More comments here by others https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/01/25/pazz-jop-comments-protests-and-escapes/
if it's the comment I think it is that sounds intriguing
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
this was mine:
ALBUMS
01. Susanne Sundfor: Music For People In Trouble02. Julie Byrne: Not Even Happiness03. Kelela: Take Me Apart04: Perfume Genius: No Shape05. SZA: CTRL06. MUNA: About U07. Lorde: Melodrama08. Baths: Romaplasm09. Kelly Lee Owens: Kelly Lee Owens10. Jessie Ware: Glasshouse
SONGS
01. SZA ft. Travis Scott: "Love Galore"02. Mondo Grosso ft. Hikari Mitsushima: "Labyrinth"03. Lorde: "Supercut"04. Slowdive: "Slomo"05. Wolf Alice: "Don't Delete The Kisses"06. Hercules & Love Affair ft. Sharon Van Etten: "Omnion"07. yaeji: "raingurl"08. Tove Lo: "Disco Tits"09. Phoebe Bridgers: "Motion Sickness"10. Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith: "To Feel Your Best"
― joshywinty (josh), Saturday, 27 January 2018 01:56 (six years ago) link
ALBUMSJakuzi – Fantezi Müzik (City Slang) 15Kenji Minogue – En Dermee (Music Mania) 13Louis Sclavis – Frontières (JMs) 12Reniss –Tendon (New Bell) 12Scooter – Scooter Forever (Sheffield Tunes) 11Cabbage – Young Dumb and Full Of… (Skeleton Key) 10Charlie Worsham – Beginning Of Things (Warner Bros.) 8Bruce Cockburn -Bone On Bone (True North) 7Carlinhos Brown – Semelhantes (Candyall) 6Nadia Rose – Highly Flammable (Relentless) 6
SINGLESBaghi Mann – Soorme (Jass)Haley Georgia - Shots (Haley Georgia)Kabeer Nasha – Aaj Club Mein (Turban Hits)Omar Souleyman – Ya Bnayya (Mad Decent)Meet Bros. – Roar on the Shore (Party Mix) (Meet Bros.)Haley Georgia – Becky (Haley Georgia)Lindsey Buckingham & Christie McVie – In My World (Atlantic)Heize – Hello! UFO (Universal)Sevyn Streeter – Before I Do (Atlantic)Tuxedo – 2nd Time Around (Stones Throw)
― xheddy, Saturday, 27 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
Albums
Kendrick Lamar-DamnSZA-CTRLYemi Alade-Black MagicTrio Da Kali & Kronos Quartet-LadilikanOumou Sangare-MogoyaNew Pornographers-Whiteout ConditionsMoses Sumney-AromanticismVarious Artist, Trailride Music Vol. 1Daniel Caesar-FreudianMs. Jody- Thunder Under Yonder
Songs
Kendrick Lamar-DNASZA-Love GaloreMary J. Blige-Thick of ItJ. Balvin & Willy William- Mi GenteFuture-Mask OffMigos-Bad and BoujeeOlamide-Wo!!Goldlink (ft. Brent Faiyaz and Shy Glizzy)- CrewThe Courtneys-Silver VelvetSam Hunt -Body Like a Back Road
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 January 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/01/25/pazz-jop-comments-the-top-albums-and-singles/
― curmudgeon, Monday, 29 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
so it looks like Uproxx is going to try to pick up the Pazz & Jop torch.
hey twitter -- ballots for @uproxx's first music critics poll just went out. @Philip_Cosores and i did our best compiling a list of who might be interested. if you're a music writer who wants to vote, please send me an email: cait✧✧✧.wh✧✧✧@upr✧✧✧.c✧✧. all are welcome!— caitlin cristin (@harmonicait) December 3, 2018
reminder: Uproxx is owned by Warner Music.
this bothers me. does it bother others or is it an unavoidable fact of music-critic life in 2018?
― alpine static, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
uproxx has bigger problems than its owners
― maura, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
https://deadspin.com/reading-product-plugs-from-joshua-tree-helped-me-unders-1822234122
Voting for U2's 'Joshua Tree' Helped Me Understand My Own Twisted Heart
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Did anybody here get one of these invite emails? I didn't.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
Yep.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
I dunno if I want to participate. If you email her, I'm told, she'll allow you to participate.
I don't want to participate. I voted in The Wire's poll and the NPR jazz critics' poll, and wrote a jazz top ten for Stereogum. I'm listed out.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
I sent them an email. I love skewing whatever lists there are with my questionable musical taste as long as I feel qualified to make a list. When I stopped writing I didn't. But now I do.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
fuck this imo
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
r.i.p. pazz & jop
― dyl, Monday, 3 December 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
My list is already sponsored by Arby's.
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 01:08 (five years ago) link
@maura oh I know. besides ownership issues, I can’t really stand the thought of her and P.C. as gatekeepers for “the” big critics’ list
― alpine static, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:00 (five years ago) link
http://cleverbeans.blogspot.com/2006/12/pazznjopnhinder.html
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link
hmmmmm re uproxx, I dunno
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 December 2018 05:48 (five years ago) link
Let it die.
― Yerac, Friday, 7 December 2018 06:27 (five years ago) link
Let’s face it, Pazz and Jop was running on some serious fumes those last couple years. It got to the point where all the things that made it special in the first place were gone. Near the end there was no Robert Christgau year-in-review essay, there was no “see what your favorite critics voted for” webpage, there were no Singles Jukebox-y critic blurbs. So in the end all you had left was the same list of albums and singles that I can just go to Metacritic and get myself whenever I want. So yes, let it die.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link
The last couple years’ P&Js couldn’t even get their own ILM thread.
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:42 (five years ago) link
My own interest aside--I never hesitated for a second as to whether I'd participate; I planned to keep going for as long as they kept me on the mailing list--I agree. Honestly, the actual results lost all interest for me somewhere in the middle of the '90s.
This will be lost to history, but I bet I submitted more Pazz & Jop commentary than anyone this side of Christgau. Only a tiny fraction of it ever made it into print, but from '97 through to last year, I'd send in two or three pages of comments on my singles list every year--somewhere between 25-30,000 words, I'd estimate. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe a lot of voters did that. My sense is that most ballots were much shorter, and that many came in with no comments at all.
― clemenza, Sunday, 9 December 2018 06:11 (five years ago) link