I think through a Glenn McDonald review of Peace At Last
damn, at the heart of all things is glenn
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link
you namecheck The Blue Nile for a certain vibe because the closest analogues (Avalon et. al.) just aren't really that close.
i was gonna make this point and felt silly about it but you made it much better, thank u tim
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
Glenn McDonald reviewing a Blue Nile album blows my mind
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
To my mind a big factor in making The Blue Nile ripe for greater post-mortem crossover over the past decade has been the critical redemption of monied class marginalia which started gathering steam in about the middle of the last decade - balearic, soft-rock etc.
kind of interested in how that broad shift happened tbh - obv it's somehow connected to the revival of critical (and in some cases, popular) interest in the non-marginal stuff too (mac, dan, maybe michael mcdonald also). and now new age music, which very much falls into the category of 'monied class marginalia'.
with respect to the blue nile, i think that fleetwood mac are maybe a useful point of reference - there are parts of hats where it sounds p much like a tango in the night for lonely guys just thinking baout things. not just the synths either, there's the whole romantic sweep of their music - they completely lack the basic emotional chillness that i think is a basic part of a lot of other balearic or soft-rock alligned music. there's a point in 'downtown lights' for instance where it sounds like some sort of ecstatic communion with the city born out of the sheer ache of separation, an i-wanna-be-with-you-everywhereness willed into being on a rainsoaked streetcorner. see, i feel very unchill even trying to describe the feelings it gives me.
― faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
Sade and Tango in the Night are precisely the acts/albums I thought Tim was referring to with "monied class marginalia."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
also -and this is entirely fanciful- but i listen to paul buchanan singing 'i know it's over now' and i can't help thinking about how morrisey's stock has fallen while the blue nile's has risen and maybe this is all part of some cosmic redressing of the books
― faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/7kFWNDCTwzsDm/giphy.gif
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
James Franco Says Sexual Misconduct Allegations Are “Not Accurate”
was Franco ever in a band or something?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
I would be very surprised if he wasn't.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
tango in the night for lonely guys just thinking baout thingshaha, that's good
as you elaborated, though, it's so romantically pathetic (in the Greek sense)
― niels, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
it should be noted that the original u.k. pressing of a walk across the rooftops on Linn was designed to appeal to people who owned multiple copies of the mobile fidelity sound lab pressing of Aja. also, nobody owns any other album on Linn. #hipmusicalcrush
― scott seward, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
I don't think The Blue Nile's stock has risen at all - it's more or less the same as it's always been. It's easy to get the impression that it's risen based off activity on this forum, but in the real world I'd say no. Morrissey's stock has definitely been damaged over the last couple of decades.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
turrican tell us more about the real world
― brimstead, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
The biggest difference between Avalon and the first two Blue Nile LP's is that it's a far more exciting and absorbing record.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
the reason that x is a bad poster is not bc they believe their opinions are objective reality but bc they are fundamentally incurious about what other people think and act like a humorless wiener about it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
or even less "fundamentally incurious what other people think" than fundamentally incurious about the contexts in which music is meaningful to other people
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
this of course is an extremely dissonant attitude on what is ostensibly a ***discussion*** board imo and primarily expresses itself as long stupid arguments about the beatles
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
Translation: "Wahhh, why can't I have influence on people that can make up their own minds?"
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
it's a far more exciting and absorbing record.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), 10. januar 2018 17:50 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You're so pathetically bad at this.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
your ability to absorb information is deeply impoverished
xp
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
i think their stock has risen a little but not a great deal
― ufo, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
Yes, so Brad is annoyed that I won't (and don't - and I've already explained why) take his opinions seriously, and Frederik is doing his usual predictable Scrappy Doo routine.
None of this having anything to do with the perception of the Blue Nile beyond these forums, of course.
UFO kinda OTM but I feel that it just feels that way because a couple of people got into those records on this forum and were heavily vocal about it.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
Or because Pitchfork just published a 'sunday classic' review of them. You're literally discussing them on the pitchfork thread. How dumb are you?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
hey everyone, i just went out into real life and took some readings. turns out that the stock of blue nile has risen, but only by 34 points, which hovers on the edge of stastistical significance. i repeat, blue nile's stock is up by 34 points over the last decade in the real world.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
Well, objectivity has spoken. Discussion closed.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
this argument is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
Smart enough to realise that Pitchfork in the big scheme of things - even though it's obviously made a name for itself - still only speaks for a very small percentage of people on the planet, Frederik.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
you know what i'm bullish on? eastern sounds by yusef lateef. keep hearing people mention it. and you can even get 50 bucks for the 70s reissue now. did pitchfork write about it?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
I think we should settle this Blue Nile matter as we do all others, by checking Youtube views and Spotify streams, and then divining how many of them were Sincere
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
the hats reissue was largely ignored by the press in 2013 and i'm not sure that things have changed that much since then (t's nice p4k cares about them now) but i would like it if they had
― ufo, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
lol scrappy dane
blue nile owns the zone u bums
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
also, kinks village green mania shows no sign of abating. people still REALLY want that record. the price just keeps going up and up for old copies. it's nuts.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
"sir, your product is The Blue Nile records"
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
i do feel bad for that destroyer guy because he obviously likes a lot of really talented artists and it must be hard to never reach that level and want to so badly. kinda like all those people who wanted to be the beach boys and who nobody listens to anymore.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
The fact that this thread is still discussing the Blue Nile is one of the most ILM things I've ever seen.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
kaputt is better than everything that influenced it (though i know thats controversial), and he doesn't seem too fussed about that sort of thing really. in interviews for the last two albums he's seemed fairly bewildered that he got so much attention for kaputt but also doesn't really care if it happens again
― ufo, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
he might say that in an interview, but his haircut says "it's hard"
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
― Tim F, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:03 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
on one hand it's hard to imagine Blue Nile existing without Roxy Music's influence, but you're right that Avalon doesn't quite do the same thing, there's a certain louche quality to Ferry despite moments that are very heartbreaking, whereas Blue Nile seems entirely sadness and ennui (no fun disco times)
also, Avalon is a great record and definitely has its own magic quality, but it's also a ROXY MUSIC album, so it's pretty impossible (for me at least) not to view it in the larger context of "This is a phase in the evolution of ROXY MUSIC an iconic rock band", whereas Blue Nile just emerged fully formed with Walk Across the Rooftops, and when I first heard them (Hats) it all felt sort of mysterious like "where did these guys come from?"
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
kaputt is better than everything that influenced it
― ufo, Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:45 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*closes tab*
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:24 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
IDK man have you checked 538 recently? Things are turning around!
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
RealClearPolitics has Hats' silk bathrobe despair averages +10 over three months ago
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
The Blue Nile hasn't really hit me yet. I think that particular gloomy 80s soundscape is just not really my thing. I really like Mid Air a lot though!
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
the gloom comes for everbody eventually iirc
― faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
even turrican, though he be full of bile and blue nile denial
― faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
I love all sorts of other gloomy soundscapes though ftr
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
Gloom has always been my joint and it's precisely what this album is missing.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
a gloom at the top
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
'Missing' more than 'lacking', really, as it fails to attain its goal.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
well it’s not really the gloom that crushes me on hats tbh - as the old cliche goes, it’s the hope
― faust apes (NickB), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
Win Butler responds to Trump's disparaging comments about Haiti
― billstevejim, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link