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not in the winter olympics.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

http://okladki-divx.neostrada.pl/covers/c/cool_runnings.jpg

― Ali G (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:09 (twenty years ago)

I was this close to posting that same image. I declined b/c I figured Hstencil would make some pedantic comment about how Jamaica != Africa.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:10 (twenty years ago)

n/p

― ThePostingName (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)

There is a land far, far away
Where's there's no night
There's only day

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

JAYMaiCa

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Wait til JH hears about Abortion Bucket.

People my age trying to get shocked are kind of quaint.

― Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

forget Abortion Bucket, the only shocking name to her would be Grant Application Denied.

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)

booooyaaaaaa!

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:50 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand the brouhaha over the AIDS Wolf name. Then again, I was in a band called Cancer Clown so maybe I'm not the best one to judge.

Hopper seems to be saying:
1) I'm offended
2) These bands suck
3) If these bands didn't suck it would justify the offensiveness (e.g. Albini's gun was loaded so apparently he's OK)

Aside from that morally questionable stance (and Hopper is making a moral argument here), I have a hard time reading this as an AIDS Wolf "takedown" since she didn't even stick around to hear the band. Taken at face value, all her rant tells me is that Bloodyminded may not be very compelling live and AIDS Wolf has an immature merch guy. Um, so what?

It seems short-sighted and narrow-minded to besmirch a varied and variegated noise scene that arguably includes the likes of AIDS Wolf, Prurient, Lightning Bolt, Wolf Eyes, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori, Can't/Jessica Rylan, Business Lady, Sightings, The Bunnybrains, No Neck Blues Band, Merzbow, Borbetomagus, Sunn 0))), The Magik Markers, To Live And Shave In LA, Landed, and Sonic Youth.

I'll leave it to someone else to subdivide these bands into their micro-genres, but they frequently play shows with each other, move in the same circles, have overlapping fanbases. Some engage in sub-Whitehouse outrage-baiting tactics, some don't. Painting all "noise bands" with the same broad brush is A PRETTY POINTLESS EXERCISE IN 2005 AD. Always has been.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Apparently none of those people are noise though.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

pls desist with wolf band names. thx

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Uh, the guy at the merch booth saying "AIDS Wolf gave me Aids!" isn't offensive? What sort of things do people find offensive, then?

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

maybe aids wolf gave him aids or something

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Uh, the guy at the merch booth saying "AIDS Wolf gave me Aids!" isn't offensive? What sort of things do people find offensive, then?
-- Mark (r-...), February 10th, 2006 12:41 PM.

More stupid and tactless than offensive. Sarah Silverman's act is more offensive. Plus, what does the random spoutings of a guy at a merch booth have to do with anything?

And now I'm offended that you're offended. Offensensitivity.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Edward she didn't say it would be "ok" if the gun was loaded, she said it would be "saying something" whereas these acts are all shock without framing or context and are really 'about nothing.' She wasn't giving Albini a pass.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

So, was Albini "saying something?"

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

they should change their name to a picture of muhammed and tour syria. calling yourself AIDS Wolf and playing for a bunch of kids who have been reading Vice since they were 10 isn't that impressive.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Why does music always have to say something? That's why I like noise!

Instead of performing some socio-feminist-global-policital vivisection of an M.I.A. song, I can just turn off my fucking brain and watch Hair Police ruin an amp.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost: It was all about the rape, man.

― js (honestengine), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

It took much longer for someone to bring up Vice in this thread than I thought it would! Maybe their status as a hipsters-you-don't-like signifier is waning.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

AIDS Wolf may rule or suck, don't know or particularly care, but is the name offensive just 'cause it has the word "AIDS" in it? 'cause that's not really a good reason to be offended, I don't think

dude @ merch booth, OK, it's juvenile but not much more offensive than, say, anything else in the world

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

"they should change their name to a picture of muhammed and tour syria."

haha - exactly. Go be offensive where it matters.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

otm whinegardenpizzahut;;"Why does music always have to say something? That's why I like noise!
Instead of performing some socio-feminist-global-policital vivisection of an M.I.A. song, I can just turn off my fucking brain and watch Hair Police ruin an amp.
"

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

i didn't say i don't like vice, my point is just that it's been around for over a decade now and "kids" ain't that easy to shock anymore.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Even better!

But...um, because of Vice they're hard to shock?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Words are never offensive, is what we're saying.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Edward,
I dont know if I agree with her about it or not but by her argument, Albini's 'shock' had some framing or context and AIDS Wolf's does not. She is questioning their effectiveness as shock artists, which is from her interpretation what they front as being.

I dont know these dudes or Hopper or care about either of them really, but it seemed like you were misrepresenting what she said.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

xpost

words are sometimes offensive, sure, but "AIDS Wolf gave me AIDS" (while stupid) strikes me as less offensive than 75% of the stuff on "South Park," no? (which is also often stupid)

altho it kind of comes full circle to Hopper's argument -- if it's not offensive, what's the point.

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I'm way off here, but my take is that Albini's shtick was as puerile in its will-to-shock as AIDS Wolf or Wolf Eyes. Big Black just had better songs and rocked harder, so that was the "context" in which people who would have otherwise written them off enjoyed them. This is the "you get points as long as you're rocking!" school of thought. Never mind that Albini named his band Rapeman, put graphic autopsy photos on album covers, or advocated Pure magazine which printed child pornography.

Which leads me to believe that AIDS Wolf / Wolf Eyes shticks are more crimes against music than against sensibilities. Their perceived inability to create strong music accentuates their offensiveness ("that's all there is").

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Mark - I think it's that people here aren't (generally) offended, which seems to eat into the idea that something can be just officially "offensive".

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

One man's offensive is another man's NWA.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Oops, I used "man" instead of "person." That was offensive.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

the noise scene doesn't offend anybody. Show me one article anywhere expressing genuine moral outrage at any of this stuff (someone plz link that jokey "save your children from noise!" site)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

no i'm not saying people are hard to offend because of vice, just using vice as a barometer of the general acceptance of toying with loaded words for a long time. yeesh, what's your problem?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

the noise scene doesn't offend anybody. Show me one article anywhere expressing genuine moral outrage at any of this stuff (someone plz link that jokey "save your children from noise!" site)
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), February 10th, 2006 1:36 PM.

http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006237.html

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

I think yr misreading Hopper if you think she's expressing moral outrage rather than aesthetic boredom.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

LET'S DO THIS THING

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/totalcoward/AIDSWolf.jpg

― shoulda logged out (sanskrit), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Shakey otm

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

haha!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

too soon, too soon.

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

I think yr misreading Hopper if you think she's expressing moral outrage rather than aesthetic boredom.
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), February 10th, 2006 1:44 PM.

Isn't she doing both?

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

NO. "The band, see, they did not work because I was just annoyed and not, in fact, disgusted."

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Dear Jessica,

Sorry that you had to stumble across this on a cursory google or a link someone forwarded. I'm sorry for this:

http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/can_of_worms.jpg

Your pal,
Christopher

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Why would something ostensibly "offensive" annoy you if you weren't offended? Doesn't being offended have some basis in moral outrage? I think Hopper's pretty explicit that she's bored aesthetically *and* offended by her experience at the Noise Show. She says, "I am offended by him."

It's funny you quoted, "The band, see, they did not work because I was just annoyed and not, in fact, disgusted." That's the weakest point of the entire piece - she didn't even SEE THE BAND. If she was so concerned about the aesthetics of the band, wouldn't she want to spend some time, um, actually analyzing their music?

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

I give up - it seems like you want to deliberately misinterpret her. why, I'm not entirely sure. Hopper's clearly not some straight-edge moralist who's appalled by the ostensible "subject matter", she doesn't want this music banned for harming the minds of innocents or anything like that - in fact, she criticizes it precisely for not being capable eliciting that very reaction from more conservative segments of society.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

I mean did all that scare-quoted stuff about how empty their gestures are just go over your head?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

"Dear Jessica, Sorry ..."

ha ha ha, oh plz dude, 110 posts yakking about something you blogged last august is the sincerest form of flattery

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

she doesn't want this music banned for harming the minds of innocents or anything like that - in fact, she criticizes it precisely for not being capable eliciting that very reaction from more conservative segments of society.

I only stayed for one band. Bloodyminded (see above) were still playing when I left.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I think its pretty clear that she didn't stay cuz she was just bored and annoyed, not because she was SHOCKED and APPALLED at the HORRIBLE DEPTHS TO WHICH OUR MORAL FABRIC HAS DETERIORATED.

but go ahead and keep pretending this noise stuff is really pushing people's buttons maaaaaaaan

(and I say this as someone who enjoys a fair bit of it!)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

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