That's it! The only ism I want to come out of your mouths is jism. Overacademic Bullshit Must Die.

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step out for five odd minutes to look at a sculpture and you miss the annointing of bakhtin as the new gramsci

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 05:58 (twenty-three years ago)

no duane he's whining about writers using words he's not familiar with (some of which - HORROR - aren't even in his dictionary!!! stop the insanity!!!), he's not actually attacking any specific ideas, he's attacking the possibility that any ideas might end up in any record reviews anywhere (cuz let's face it - the 'problem' he cites here is hardly pervasive. not alot of frank kogan bylines in blender, or rolling stone, or spin. basically all he has to do is avoid the voice and the wire and 10% of the threads on ilm (the "good" 10% one might say) and it's smooth sailing. there's plenty of calum threads that should be right up his alley.) that he acts like chuck eddy embracing 'academic' writing is a betrayal makes me wonder just how much chuck eddy he's read.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

and I love Miccio but between this and him wishing Greil Marcus had been stabbed at Altamont on another thread I do wish whatever bug crawled up his ass would promptly crawl back out.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:22 (twenty-three years ago)

does anyone want to chat about direct realism in relation to John Mayer?

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

wow greil marcus was at altamont?!

― duane, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 07:59 (twenty-three years ago)

lotsa folx were there, it was supposed to be the 'west coast woodstock' after all

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:12 (twenty-three years ago)

there's a funny bit in "Let It Blurt" (unintentional, as JDRog has all the sense of humor of a brick) where Lester Bangs spots GR at Altamont looking "professorial" and smoking a pipe.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:23 (twenty-three years ago)

btw in case anyone is confused i did not actually post any of duane's posts.

― di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:31 (twenty-three years ago)

lots of ''overacademic'' stuff can be terrible but so can lots of ''simple'' things. just take the best from both.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Hear hear!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i can count to seven!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Elitist!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah but Mark when you count to seven there's only six numbers.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i think you meant four

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

thus AC/DC = yes!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

BUT, according to Highway to Hell: The Life & Times of Bon Scott, AC/DC was "named by Margaret Young after a warning sign she noticed on her sewing machine"

Hi D. Thats true, i was confusing 'electric saw' with a 'sewing machine' probably, it was a long time ago.

(Jrvision==RexJr.)

― Jrvision (visionjr), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

And it's "Riot Girl," not "Riot Grrl." Good Charlotte can spell.
Um, Miccio...The misspelling is very, very intentional. They WANT you to growl when you say it. Riot Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

But Bangs wasn't around for the big scrap Meltzer and GM got into in Altamont.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

'gimme a job asshole!'

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

This Thread by Ally

SCENE: A sunny suburban kitchen. The countertop is blue tiles, there is a nice bit of yellow touch. JAMES THE POT and MICCIO THE KETTLE are sitting on the stove top--electric range, natch.

Miccio the Kettle: I hate everything! Everyone is so annoying! Sterling Clover is a fuxor! You all suck!
James the Pot: Fuck you Miccio! Fuck you and Good Charlotte! What crawled up your ass! You're stupid!
Miccio the Kettle: You're stupid! So's Chuck Eddy!
James the Pot: Eat my fuc!

Enter STERLING CLOVER, who starts putting KETTLE and POT away properly

Sterling: I do say that the circumvention of my cabinets beheld by these items of crockware is shocking and appalling, what would Bahtkin say about this horror of filth? cf proximal Lysol developments.

THE END.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Shouldn't that be "Exit, pursued by a theorist?"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

If by "theorist" you mean "Jimmy the mod making yakky hand motion" then yes.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

enter

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

and I love ~~Miccio~~Blount but between this and him wishing ~~Greil Marcus had been stabbed at Altamont~~Ally was Mariah Carey on another thread I do wish whatever bug crawled up his ass would promptly crawl back out.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

No, no, that comes in the second act, James. The one where Chuck Eddy and Frank Kogan tell the story of the Walrus and the Carpenter.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

is this the one where the guy leaves his wife for a dog and it turns out the dog is sarah jessica parker?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I think that's the plot to Matrix 2.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

they DID just rehash the first one!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

GET A ROOM!!!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

We're sorry for ruining the obviously helpful and thoughtful replies to this thread so far, Matos. :(

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

im still getting over jism being an ism.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Ally doesn't love me! Bawl....and I did this thread strictly to meet laydeez.

Blount, I don't wish Marcus got knifed, I simply asked if the world of rockcrit would be better or worse because of it. The man probably has family. Though I didn't hesitate to make the query about the value of the man's existence, seeing as how he said it WAS a good thing the dude from the Spin Doctors had throat ailments and may never get to sing again, because the Spin Doctor used the word "bitch" in "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong." Marcus set seriously caustic precedent there.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

and I've easily read as much Eddy as you have, Blount. I'm just noting he's way soft on unnecessary hifalutin' verbage. The stuff people are too chicken to say was worthless, lest someone take that as a sign they can't read.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

What's an example of necessary hifalutin' verbiage?

― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

My scintillating argot.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

see, the words should at least be PRETTY. Like Perry's post. Much of Shakespeare is necessary hifaultin' verbiage (I want to set the bar high).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

You know, I tried to stay out of this thread, but I can't take it any more. If you don't care for academic tropes & styles, don't fucking read them! I personally like 'em, enjoy reading 'em, and wish there was more not less analytical/theoretical writing about music.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

In critical writing. Shakespeare isn't high-falutin, anyway. He's just four three+ centuries old.

― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

dude, jOhn, are you making the "if you don't like it, don't read it" argument on a message board loaded with people who criticize for a living?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

well, yes, point taken.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

it's just that your positioning has you saying things like

Some words are valuable, some ain't

and then arguing that other people are guilty over overacademizing...really, now.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"over"="of" obv.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I admit that I'm not planning to have my posts reprinted in Artforum. The Fred Durst pic should reaffirm this is all but a vent. And I like theoretical/analytical too! I just like the shit to flow.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Academic, intelligent prose vs. showing off...

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

So to speak.

― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Academic, intelligent prose vs. showing off...

vs. Fred Durst.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I admit that I'm not planning to have my posts reprinted in Artforum

Christ you should have said something, they've already agreed in principle to publish my piece about this thread and I kinda need the money

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Words are words. I'm against the idea that the onus of "making oneself understood" in the communication process should always be on the writer/speaker -- the reader/listener has to learn to work WITH the person communicating.

Also, in a forum like this one, it's selfish to assume that just because a concept is over YOUR head, it's over everyone else's head too (cf. "overacademic bullshit").

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

is this thing still going?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

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