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I was re-reading Swells interview with them and thought that it made interesting reading. I think he pushed Shaun pretty hard on the gay question. At first Shaun says he's not homophobic/ meets and works with gay people etc and then after much pushing he says "look I'm not a rent boy and I find sucking dick disgusting". I'm not so sure what was so offensive about it to be honest, it's like Swells just wanted a story.

His attempts at making him look evil for editing Penthouse seem a bit misguided too. Especially considering the fact Swells was last seen drooling over Daphne and Celeste.

― CRW (CRW), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

but they werent dayglo in 87. look at the photos from this era, and its murky mancunian rainy b&w, it could actually fit in very easily

Granted - I mean, you can totally hear the Hannett production on Squirrel and G-Man, and consequently it's not so hard to trace back a thread to, say, early New Order or the Stockholm Monsters or whatever. But I think it's very much *because* the Mondays were very forward-thinking - that even on their early records they quite clearly pre-empted the spirit of acid-house (intentionally or not) - that they don't really fit too comfortably into the retrospective post-punk package.

Also, I don't think they've really dated that well.

― Jason J, Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Squirrel and G-Man was produced by John Cale. I've never owned it, for some reason.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Squirrel and G-Man was produced by John Cale.

Doh, you're right. It was Hallelujah and Bummed wot were done by Hannett. So what was Cale's production like? I'll have to dig the record out and listen.

― Jason J, Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they have dated very well indeed, though the earlier stuff better than the later (the production on pills'n'thrills sounds very dated, though the album is still good)

i think cales production was sort of scratchy and light, compared to the dense foggyness of hannetts bummed

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 18 April 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i've been listening to lots of pre-Bummed HMs lately and enjoying it way more than i did at the time. "kuff dam" is sounding remarkably fresh to me right now.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

at the time of release, that is

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 18 April 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking as a Hannett fanatic, and also as a Mondays fan, it's strange that the combination of the two on Bummed really didn't work very well, IMO. I'll take the first album and Pills n Thrills. When the first album came out, I thought they sounded a lot like The Fall!

― bimble (bimble), Monday, 19 April 2004 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

you don't like the production? curious indeed.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i listened to 'Bummed' for the first time ever the other week

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 19 April 2004 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The Egg 12" is the best HM ever - a pity that it's never been dug out for CD. I agree with Bimble - despite my love for all things Hannett, I just don't like the *sound* of Bummed. There are some great tracks - WFL, Movin In With, Performance that seem to be fighting to get through the mix. However - I haven't given up all hope of one day realizing that it is, in fact, a work of genius and I've been missing something all along.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 19 April 2004 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

It is really hard to find the Mondays stuff in the US. I can't locate a copy of Squirrel and G-Man at all. Bummed I managed to get thru mail order. But my cassette copy of Pills n Thrills is almost dead and finding a vinyl copy of that is proving pretty difficult.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 April 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo, Shakey.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"Kuff Dam" is the only HM song worth sparing from the fiery furnace

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Yesss!! Thank you!!

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 April 2004 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Egg 12" is the best HM ever "

probably true but it's a secret. i feel like early mondays is holy grail-ish, and i actually find myself wanting to hear them pilloried and dismissed so as to insure their/its special-ness. stop this thread now!

― duke kongos, Monday, 19 April 2004 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

What the hell is the Egg 12"?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they've actually undergone a bit of revival within the past few years, in new york. rock scenester kids, especially as they dip toes into house music, tend to see them as an effortless mix of dance and the beloved post-punk and have started the rehabilitation process. also, there's a sizable brit-pop contingent, sort of dormant for a while but regaining strength, who claim them by virtue of their nationality. add together these two factions, and you get perhaps three or four parties per week that will play a happy mondays track.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but you can always count on some jackass replacements fan claiming it's crap. but that's what i want to encourage. "step off" is more like it. go back to your eternal barstool, there's nothing for you to see here

― duke tuesday, Monday, 19 April 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on the other side of Freaky Dancing, Mr Snrub.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I had never heard them before seeing 24 Hour Party People, which prompted me to proclaim their genius. I've been trying to start the revival ever since.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

despite my love for all things Hannett, I just don't
like the *sound* of Bummed.

I have to agree. Besides 24HPP, I also relistened to Bummed recently and it didn't leave as much of an impact. Felt like a great EP that led into a great album, or rather it felt like that's what should have happened.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 April 2004 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Egg 12" is the best HM ever - a pity that it's never been dug out for CD.

this was a BeMusic production, right? perhaps it will be appearing on the next LTM BeMusic compilation.. (i don't know if it is, but i guess it's entirely possible)

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Bummed could really use a remaster

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

These guys' songs only really make sense to me when I see Bez or an actor playing Bez dancing to it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

but you can always count on some jackass replacements fan claiming it's crap

Hey now. In college, my Mondays and Replacements albums coexisted quite happily in my record crate. We played "Hallelujah" at parties, and "Here Comes a Regular" at the end of the night. Corny as fuck, OK, but there you go.

― spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

that's unusual i think. that song in particular used to bum me out, man. i first heard the mondays and stone roses and the early 90's british stuff i love(d) on this radio show late sunday nites in houston where i grew up. he would be playing all this stuff that was new and awesome to me (incl. U.S. stuff like pixies) and then throw that in there and my heart would sink. like "that's the stuff people like along with this?!" i would just swear up and down i never would get into it because it seemed so cliched and ridiculous to me. so it goes back almost fifteen years now, my hatred of them. not that i'm justifying it, i'm only being honest about what their work engenders for me and always has. they are a (perhaps unfair) but very real scapegoat (of sorts) for me.

― duke gone, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

huzzah! My vinyl copy of Pill n Thrills arrived today! I am excited. I can feel the US baggy revival comin on... (okay maybe not)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

double huzzah! Today I received my copy of "Squirrel and G-Man". So which song on here has the "24-hour party people" lyric refrain...? Cuz I don't see no song called "24 Hour Party People" on the sleeve.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

it ain't on that one. I think it was a b-side of "Wrote for Luck" but if anyone knows different/more step in (or step on, hahahah)

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You have the original version of the lp. 'Desmond' was replaced by '24 Hour Party People' on later copies.

― rw, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

say what? I feel cheated.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It looks like 24 Hour Party People was issued as its own single. I guess I have something else to hunt down now.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the song's also on the film soundtrack, slightly remixed

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"carnt smile"

― duke union, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the title of the last song? "Cobalt"? That's one of my favorite songs ever

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

24 hour party people is on the "Loads" compilation that was released about 10 years ago. It was limited edition; however, it seems to be limited to anyone who wants one.

― Keith Watson (kmw), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The double CD was limited edition, the single was more widely available.

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

that song is also on the palatine box

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.norfolkwindmills.com/sleeves/smileitsmonday.jpg

http://www.norfolkwindmills.com/sleeves/smileitsmonday2.jpg

― charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 12 June 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

I am "feeling" them again at the moment. Great.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I might go back to the "Time Machine" thread and change my answer. This is the band I probably would have liked to have seen the most. Their shows must have been a complete mess.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The G-Mex video is a riot. Soaked in MDMA. Bez is enjoyable to watch.

― mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

they are horrible

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

well i wouldn't invite them over to mum's

― mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Rowetta has just auditioned for the X factor! And she's through!

― Madchen (Madchen), Saturday, 25 September 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that was truly mad! It was weird that no-one involved in the programme made that connection...

― M Carty (mj_c), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The book of 24 Hour Party People by Tony Wilson goes to great lengths to talk about Bernard Sumner's production on the first album without ever explicitly denying the John Cale credit. Maybe the John Cale credit was a joke? It doesn't sound like an oversight/fabulation on Tony's part - he talks about how Bernard was the secret great producer of the 80s, inheritor to Hannet's mantle on his Bemusic stuff yadda yadda, but that with the Happy Mondays he was dumbfounded by their sloppy genius and just recorded them straight.

The book also suggests that the group were taking Es and listening to house when Tony first met them, which may owe a bit more to creative license.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 26 September 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anybody have a reasonably accurate Bemusic discography - I know the obvious, but..

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Sunday, 26 September 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe the John Cale credit was a joke?

i can remember reading an interview with cale where he mentioned recording the mondays. he said something about how he was trying to get straight and hid in the control booth cos they were running around like maniacs and offering him all sorts of temptations in the chemical department.
i think barney produced the 'freaky dancing/ the egg' single though.

― zappi (joni), Sunday, 26 September 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

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