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"Nat Hentoff

Scott!!!!!!!!"

i said there were some exceptions. and some of the people on that list i am not familiar with. they may not be idiots.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:13 (twenty years ago)

hentoff is only totally off the money like 2/3 of the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Have you read his jazz writing?

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:27 (twenty years ago)

i pray to god i'm on the money as often as he is in when i'm 81

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)

I think he's one of the best jazz writers I've read, along with Ralph Ellison. But I generally haven't read much of his recent political stuff the odd essay aside.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:31 (twenty years ago)

i just mean his political stuff, and only then sometimes. but on those times he can be totally maddening.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:47 (twenty years ago)

Hentoff was waaaaay off when it came to the Terri Schiavo fiasco. I don't know shit about jazz so I'll assume he's more than competant in that arena.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:18 (twenty years ago)

I couldnt bring myself to read this whole thread because of how dumb it is on so very many levels, but I cannot figure out why Coulter is writing for a Jewish publication. What the fuck is going on?

― fkj, Friday, 3 March 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Lotta Jews are neo-cons.

― fgfdg, Friday, 3 March 2006 06:25 (twenty years ago)

now pitchfork stopped working

― lf (lfam), Friday, 3 March 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

lotta neocons are jews, that is. most jews are liberal.

― staxwell, Friday, 3 March 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

hentoff is prolife which is where his schiavo take came from i'm guessing. he's otm well enough to justify those incredibly frustrating or blockheaded times he's so wrong (most disgusting for me was when he was selling that 'clinton's a rapist' line the right was spreading after the impeachment fell thru) and sadly probably more relevant now than ever.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

"Asked to resign" from Pitchfork? What the fuck kinda cop out is that? Doesn't Ryan have a desk he can bang his fist on?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:23 (twenty years ago)

wow, he really isn't on the fork staff page anymore. what the hell is going on? if nick gets the pitchslip for this..

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)

i think it's more likely that nick had a breakdown and quit Pitchfork than Ryan S fired him because he put fabrications in a VV cover story.

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

still...
http://mindprod.com/images/martyr.jpg

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

check out Pablo "Yoruba" Guzman's obituary for Ray Baretto in this week's Voice. That's rare appearance of the kind of writing that made this paper's reputation back in the day: passionate, well-informed, personal and political. oh and accurate.

sylvester's thing was just a glom on strauss anyway, an attempt to ride his book's publicity that backfired, or maybe worked too well.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Well, what does it say about a publication, any publication, that stands by a dude who admits to making shit up? It's called credibility, and it matters, even at Pitchfork.

Maybe the guy can get a job making up quotes for movie posters.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Fabricating quotes is a sign of laziness.

Not only is it a form of laziness, it's also the clearest possible sign that you are in no way, shape or form cut out to be a journalist. Period. If you're making up quotes, or are even tempted to make up quotes, just do yourself and everyone else a favor, and quit.

― poynter.org, Friday, 3 March 2006 12:42 (twenty years ago)

i'm not entirely sure why pitchfork would fire him for this.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

cuz they're a bunch of fucking pussies like the rest of you

― common sense (sexyDancer), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah, he fucked up and i think it was a pretty huge lapse in judgement and the voice really ought to quit the whole condescending "i love this kid" shit and can his ass, but i would think someone could still write record reviews for pitchfork even after making shit up in the voice. i can see them taking him off interviews and features for awhile, but has he done anything to suggest he's incapable of saying whether or not he likes a record? it's like saying someone can't be make up the word jumbles anymore. anyway, who knows, maybe he quit.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

it's like saying someone can't be trusted to make up the word jumbles anymore

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

has he done anything to suggest he's incapable of saying whether or not he likes a record?

Cue 500 posts of whining about how that's not what record reviews are about.

― strap in, Friday, 3 March 2006 14:07 (twenty years ago)

oh for fucks sake, what else are record reviews about? i mean yeah, you can say who played bass and what font they used but ultimately it's "yeah, i like this" or "no, i didn't like this" or even "hey look at me, i'm not saying whether i like this or not"

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

anyway, that brent guy is still on the list of contributing writers for pitchfork and he made a pile of shit up, so i guess sylvester quit unless pitchfork are huge hypocrites.

dude, you can still write record reviews.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

this shit is like the music scribe community version of watergate, look at all of you ejaculating at this shit. move on.

― NastyNasir, Friday, 3 March 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Bob Woodward ejaculated?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

They mentioned this story on Morning Edition on NPR this morning.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I like the idea that the previous piece on college cheating was thought of as a serious article by the editors and part of the readership. It'd be kind of great to uncover a trail of completely ridiculous claims and quotes that someone was believing until there were some false quotes at the end of an otherwise believable article. In any case, someone messed up.

Also, so we never forget:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/d/daft-punk/daft-club.shtml

― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

watergate xpost

xpost: shawn d please, i spent 500 words on this out of the 5000 i wrote this week, this isn't gonna be anybody's watergate, not even yours (the d's for deepthroat, right; suck a dick)

-- Nick Sylvester (nick...) (webmail), September 10th, 2005 3:43 AM. (link)

i guess shawn d's laughing now
This sounds like the worst thing

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but why stop at gutting the writer for fabricating a dumb feature?
Why not gut the paper for publishing a dumb feature?

-- Giles Manius (gilesmaniu...), March 2nd, 2006.

yr damned right....this piece is about as idiotic as the "mandate" thing that the Times ran sometime last year (looked for it couldnt find it)...and satire or not (like hstence, don't see it sorry) its pretty useless writing about something that needn't be discussed.

pitty the voice have to go to the mat on this, but maybe they deserve it.

― bb (bbrz), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

people still read village voice, yikes.

― NastyNaseer, Friday, 3 March 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Will writing ever recover from this, can the public ever regain their faith in you guys? Or have we lost that innocent bond we once had, i feel betrayed.

― NAstyNaseer, Friday, 3 March 2006 15:09 (twenty years ago)

tremendoid, please don't quote things that weren't actually said ok thx.

-- Nick Sylvester (nick...), September 10th, 2005.

ouch.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahaaha! (And having met tremendoid the other night I can confirm he's a very good guy, so frankly this is all the more rich.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

(I idly note Riff Raff hasn't been updated since the postpunk panel report.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)

This thread has been locked by a user.

This isn't about music, guys. Take it to ILE.

(oooooooh, I nearly felt the power there! I'm starting to understand the appeal...)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Test?

Damn.

OK, carry on then.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Gawker's latest. They're calling it 'Sylvestergate' now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)

people still read village voice, yikes

per maura upthread, they still got apartment listings.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

so re: Sylvestergate, is Deep Throat really Dolly D or Tha Pumpsta?

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

"Sylvestergate" wtf. Is that gawker site actually being serious?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Is a site called "Gawker" being serious?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Fair point, I suppose.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

good god this cocksanddolls person is just as bad as nick. the whole pitch was about something relatively different (not to mention that nick pitched it to simmons apparently, and not v.v.)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

that e-mail the girl sent to Simmons could quite possible be the worst pitch I have ever read.

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

it's far easier to pitch someone if you wait patiently outside their apartment in the cold at 6am.

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

I like how on her blog she's like "The Village Voice stole my pitch and they didn't even do it the way I said it!" Uh, then it's NOT YOUR PITCH, dude!

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Sylvester wrote the exaxt opposite of what she wanted to do. If she can't fathom that, she should stick to her hooking-up in NYC blog.

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

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