artists who plausibly appear to be good people

Britt Daniel. Very friendly and smiles all the time.

Uh, no.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, November 15, 2017

saw him in cargo shorts in a Chipotle queue in 2008, shook me to core.

propose to retitle thread "Indie Bros Who Haven't Been Outed as Scumbags Yet"

"and Some That Probably Already Have Been"

I did a fair number of interviews with artists back in the day and two who stick out in my mind as being exceptionally nice were Jason Molina (RIP) and Steve Earle.

In the offing: 'ILXers who plausibly appear to be good people', followed by 'I have a terrible feeling that this thread won't age well'.

Jon Anderson of Yes claims to have seen all good people. Perhaps he can help us sort through this?

― henry s, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:30 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I lol'd

artists I met who seemed super nice:

Mark Eitzel
Mike Watt
Erykah Badu

I don't know a whole lot about him, but I've never seen an artist as vigilant as Ian McKaye about making his show safe for the female fans in the audience

Can vouch for X, he’s always struck me as a sound "meat-and-potatoes, straight-up-and-down, Beef-Wellington, Don’t-trust-the-Argies, dick-in-the vagina, cheddar-cheese and chicken-tikka-masala-man"

As far as people who were not just actual rock stars but actual rock stars in the debauched 70s and early 80s go, Rush are pretty damn clean. Even Lifeson's New Year's fighting incident seems to mostly come down to wanting to stand up for his son.

Also, John Cage.

Britt Daniel. Very friendly and smiles all the time.

Uh, no.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, November 15, 2017

saw him in cargo shorts in a Chipotle queue in 2008, shook me to core.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:46 AM

Seriously, though, it's not my story to tell and I'm not going to divulge it here out of respect for the person who confided in me, but he is the opposite of good people.

Isn't Dave Grohl supposed to be The Nicest Guy In Music (TM) ?

― StanM, Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:54 PM (yesterday)

I've heard that...he is not.

― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, November 14, 2017 3:57 PM (yesterday)

holy shit

xpost, oh cool was that in Mpls or Boston?

In Boston. He was in the production of Mahagonny I did (I thought he was also in La Vie Parisienne but apparently I made that up, oops.) Super nice dude and FANTASTIC singer. His wife (Har Mar's sister) is also super nice and a great soprano.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/express/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/COPY167733680.jpg&w=480

anecdotal experiences where artists were sociable that one time

Can’t believe Ted Leo hasn’t been mentioned yet.

Thread still surely not as bad as that "positive allegations" twitter thing, not that I've looked at the latter beyond what's popped up in my timeline but man what a lamebrained response to all of this "I allege that bill murray is epic!!!"

bacon your favorite artist :(

Dr Alex Paterson and Mixmaster Morris seem nice.

Bacon is one of my favourite artists that's the tragedy

Tombot, Ted Leo HAS been mentioned! By simon h.

Never met Ted Leo as far as I know but I was reasonably friendly with the drummer from Chisel (we worked together).

Anyway this thread: "What about (person X)?" "Sure, if you are okay with ignoring (sin Y)."

Personally I'm tempted to fall back on the "never admire anyone ever" plan. Enjoying and admiring and celebrating artworks, cool. People, broadly speaking appear to be no damn good (as Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor once said), myself included.

Liszt seems to have been the most utterly decent of the 19th century composers, though he did sleep around quite a bit and earned some bad blood that way (Marie d’Agoult never forgave him). But he was friends with arch-POS Wagner, and liszt’s longest lasting romantic partner, princess Caroline, was a horrible bigoted ideologue (he let her publish a book on Chopin under his name which he didn’t even read, and she ran with it, turning it into an anti-Semitic screed). Basically Liszt was too tolerant of asshole friends if they were intellectually/artistically brilliant, but he himself was fucking solid as hell in a century of giant assholes.

Ligeti has always struck me as a decent chap in a post war modern music scene full of, quote, giant assholes.

George Enescu appears to have been a pretty swell guy. Béla Bartók too, as far as I can tell.

As far as the postwar composers go, granted, Boulez was a provocateur, but he mellowed over the years, whereas Stockhausen just sank further and further into guruism.

Re: Grohl, who knows, but here's a podcast where the dude who was the first FF touring drummer talks about how he was a bully and that it was a generally miserable experience for him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Md8htksIA

a post war modern music scene full of, quote, giant assholes.

"Assholes" in the sense of elitist or arrogant, right? I can't think of many examples that are as bad as the stuff we see on the other thread.

The Cult of Stockhausen always struck me as kind of gross, especially in light of his pseudo-polygamy, but I can't think of any other examples offhand.

i have no real negative opinion of Grohl but a lot of the purportedly hyper-positive in your face types tend to flip to extreme negativity and aggression quickly ime.

Biographies def reliable

Jilted drummers also

XP otm, rarely moreso than on ilx

herbert von karajan was a giant asshole

Sure, I think he was even mentioned in the other thread, but he mostly despised modern music anyway.

But he was friends with arch-POS Wagner

― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:36

Wagner turned into a vampire and then into Hitler. I saw it in Lisztomania.

AFAICT, no one ever had a bad word to say about the Paleolithic human who first knocked two rocks together to keep a beat.

AFAICT, no one ever had a bad word to say about the Paleolithic human who first knocked two rocks together to keep a beat

Geir?

Nick Cave is one I hope puts his demons into songs and is upstanding outside of that.

except i heard once that dhurk mashed rock in groc's face to make other wet sound

Ha, what was pseudo about Stockhausen's polygamy?

I mostly get the impression that Schoenberg was a good sort btw.

That much-championed story about Grohl throwing a Taylor Swift album in the trash and making his daughter listen to Slayer or whatever kinda confirmed to me that he was kind of a jerk

Jesus was a dick to market traders and underperforming fig trees can we lock this sorry ass thread now

refuse to believe bono is a nice person tbh

Ha, what was pseudo about Stockhausen's polygamy?

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r)

Oh, just in the nitpicky sense that he wasn't legally married to all of them (at least I assume so since it's forbidden in Germany). But for all intents and purposes…

refuse to believe bono is a nice person tbh

― i n f i n i t y (∞)

He is, after all, a tax dodger, which is all you need to know about him.

i hope we've reached Peak Judgementalism

Hasn't this place always been about passive-agressive judgmentalism? I'm sure we've still got a ways to go before the zenith is attained.

snoop dogg appears to be good people

― brimstead, miércoles 15 de noviembre de 2017 2:13 (sixteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post

Snoop, the feminist champion. I remember back in 2003 watching him arriving at the MTV awards with two women in dog collars and leashes

Yeah, that was around when he was pimping just for the fun of it: http://www.theroot.com/that-time-snoop-ran-an-actual-brothel-1790896418 . I'm guessing brimstead was kidding?

POLL: Days until the "artists who plausibly appear to be good people" thread is milkshake ducked

It seems like the answer is "zero"

As far as the postwar composers go, granted, Boulez was a provocateur, but he mellowed over the years, whereas Stockhausen just sank further and further into guruism.

Boulez was more than just a provocateur, also I don't think he mellowed too much, he was still dismissing composers he didn't like as amateurs in his dotage.