sorry, the aclu thing pisses me off
― brimstead, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:10 (eight years ago)
that second week drop off will be quite a thing
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:41 (eight years ago)
I'm not totally on top of what are considered to be the essential and non-essential components of a New Jersey album, but one possibly part-distinguishing feature of this album cycle is that if the album does crash and burn then both the stylistic/thematic/lyrical changes and the surrounding news context will provide a readymade narrative for a subsequent attempt at "course correction"* - if Taylor ultimately wants, she can seek to reframe this album as having been her Erotica.**
* perhaps depressingly, the most likely course correction would simply be an attempt to make 1990 rather than, oh, say, an album of confessional rockers spiked with self-loathing.
** obv there is no prospect of this album being as good as Erotica. I wondered whether the better point of comparison was Jewel's 0304, but that seems a bit off given 0304 was more like a hail mary pass from an artist already well and truly on the downward slope, having already gotten her New Jersey out of the way two albums prior.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:55 (eight years ago)
That's the trick with New Jersey albums, Tim: they don't crash and burn. They sell well, often very well.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:56 (eight years ago)
i don't think there will be a big drop-off from 1989 at all
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:59 (eight years ago)
sales wise
xxpost don't they tend only to sell well initially and then drop off - at least compared to the artist's prior performance?
I think TS and/or her team would consider anything more than a 30% drop relative to 1989 sales to be pretty troubling - though I think it would be the scale of the miss (together with surrounding public treatment) that would then determine what the reaction to that would be.
Of course for an Erotica level underperformance it'd be something in the order of a 60% drop, which I think is unlikely.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 02:17 (eight years ago)
The 60s: Albums must fit on a 40-minute vinyl recordThe 90s: Albums must fit on an 80-minute CD2017: Albums must fit on Taylor Swift's face pic.twitter.com/aJapkyXzxX— Steven Hyden (@Steven_Hyden) November 8, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)
"Jack challenged me to write song titles a fan would tattoo to her face"
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:53 (eight years ago)
― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes because the youngsters who buy taylor swift albums aren't overly concerned with the discourse or whether this album is a new jersey
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)
nah, there'll be a perhaps-insubstantial-but-still-notable sales dropoff if only because streaming has a bigger foothold especially among youth. i talk to a lot of young people who cock an eyebrow at paying for anything.
― maura, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)
Streaming is incorporated into sales though, right?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)
yeah but hasn't she said she's keeping it off streaming services?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)
Oh right, I thought she put her old stuff back up though. Does that not apply to the new album?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:22 (eight years ago)
school of thought i've heard is she'll go to #1 in week one, see how week two goes and then go back to #1 on week three when she puts it on streaming if it makes sense
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)
in other words, we're dealing with an egomaniac, not an artist
― imago, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:51 (eight years ago)
false binary, whatever. she's evil
bc she's gaming billboard? who the fuck cares?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)
I can't defend this cogently but she gives me the vibe of a cult leader
― imago, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/da/f5/d3daf5fe5c5900e06b0931eeb84d9416.jpg
― the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)
threatening that blogger recently is the worst thing that I know of in terms of stuff she's actually done
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)
yeah no contest
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)
the reaction to the initial singles has been tepid enough that people will listen to whatever else.
(it's a lot harder to go platinum on streams alone)
― maura, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:38 (eight years ago)
an egomaniac, not an artist
interesting distinction
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)
oh my god is one of the songs really going to be called "this is why we can't have nice things" .............. -__________-
― dyl, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)
i lmao'd pretty hard at "12. dress"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:47 (eight years ago)
bonus tracks
16. i hope you're pleased with yourself17. this is the thanks i get?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:49 (eight years ago)
oh my god is one of the songs really going to be called "this is why we can't have nice things"
assuming that's a cover of the Andrew Bird-penned Kelly Hogan tune
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:52 (eight years ago)
oh man I gotta hear that if true
― sleeve, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:54 (eight years ago)
Hadn't 1989 leaked by now?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 9 November 2017 10:48 (eight years ago)
― imago, Wednesday, November 8, 2017
have you listened to music?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:50 (eight years ago)
I swear every time I see this thread I think it says "Republican."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:34 (eight years ago)
well she's an egomaniac see
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:35 (eight years ago)
Vox has the first long read of undoubtedly many more to come about why her change of persona isn't working this time around.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:18 (eight years ago)
Appears Twitter accounts are getting suspended left, right and centre at the moment for so much as hinting they're going to leak the album.
Not sure what purpose the suspensions serve given that it'll inevitably be all over the internet at some point today/tomorrow for those that want to download it illegally.
― groovypanda, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:16 (eight years ago)
The real question is, has the Master of Puppets boxed set leaked yet?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:25 (eight years ago)
Vox has the first long read
-> 'tryhard swift'
― j., Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)
it’s also true that to the best of my knowledge, Ed Sheeran and Bruno Mars aren't seeding hints about who their songs are about throughout their liner notes and then sending their fans off on a scavenger hunt.
this is interesting because I seem to remember a certain incident of doing just that with "Don't" and Ellie Goulding
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:35 (eight years ago)
Has Skrillex written a song about his Ellie Goulding breakup?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)
at last
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)
every time i hear the "baby let THE games BEgin" bridge in "ready for it" i think about fgti's posts about the awkward syllabic contortions in "wildest dreams"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)
"end game": ....🙅
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)
there were bound to be a few songs i really loved on this, the first so far is "delicate"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:40 (eight years ago)
the way she says "sad" really bugs me in "gorgeous"
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:47 (eight years ago)
"gorgeous" is easily my fav of the pre-release singles
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)
oh hell yeah @ "getaway car"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:54 (eight years ago)
i wish the whole album were like this :\
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:56 (eight years ago)
^^hm on second listen i think i just admitted that i want to hear a taylor album where she's just singing over bleachers songs
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)
gotta be true to yourself
― crüt, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)
Maybe I came into this with very low expectations but it wasn't as bad as expected. "Look what you made me do" is way more bearable in the context of the album than as a single. And again, many of the "deep cuts" (??) are way better than the singles.
But she really needs to leave this "biggest pop star in the world" rat race she's in and go back to country ASAP. It's become a sort of trap that does not play to her strengths as singer/songwriter.
― cpl593H, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:21 (eight years ago)