She should date Bannon, dump him, then write a mean song about him to win people back.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 12:58 (eight years ago)
idon'twant your mushroom kingdom keys
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:25 (eight years ago)
look what you made me WA-HOOOO!
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)
And now I'm lying on the cold hard ground - *waluigi comes in* - WAAAAAAAAH
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)
This thread is making me want to buy a copy of Super Mario Galaxy even though I don't intend on buying a Switch.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 17:57 (eight years ago)
https://www.stereogum.com/1970857/taylor-swifts-new-album-might-have-song-with-future-ed-sheeran/news/
track list!
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 19:59 (eight years ago)
we have to stop Future Ed Sheeran
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 20:02 (eight years ago)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9ri7ZQZIz9k/VIC4hhFtaNI/AAAAAAAAyMw/s6qNlj33fo0/s1600/Terminator%2BGenisys%2BFull%2BTrailer%2BPremiere.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 20:04 (eight years ago)
i need your jacket, your sunglasses and your catchiest trop hook
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)
Hoping track #12 is a Peej cover.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)
well i was let down by the tesla thing so
― maura, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:07 (eight years ago)
for established artists first-week sales, esp preorders, are reflective of how well the previous album cycle went. (it's like the difference between born this way and artpop.) i'm sure this album will sell wonderfully (at first) but i wouldn't be so sure about the next one.
― dyl, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:41 (eight years ago)
new jersey beckons
― maura, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 23:55 (eight years ago)
I already feel as if this album's been out since February.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 00:00 (eight years ago)
maybe she gets a bad score but who cares this will fly off Wal Mart shelves on Black Friday this is dropping right in time for Xmas shopping season. the bad press and controversy is part of the album cycle. imo here she pulls this kind of meta narrative thing off far more compelling than most these days (see Arcade Fire).
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 00:20 (eight years ago)
such a lamer
― brimstead, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:10 (eight years ago)
sorry, the aclu thing pisses me off
that second week drop off will be quite a thing
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:41 (eight years ago)
I'm not totally on top of what are considered to be the essential and non-essential components of a New Jersey album, but one possibly part-distinguishing feature of this album cycle is that if the album does crash and burn then both the stylistic/thematic/lyrical changes and the surrounding news context will provide a readymade narrative for a subsequent attempt at "course correction"* - if Taylor ultimately wants, she can seek to reframe this album as having been her Erotica.**
* perhaps depressingly, the most likely course correction would simply be an attempt to make 1990 rather than, oh, say, an album of confessional rockers spiked with self-loathing.
** obv there is no prospect of this album being as good as Erotica. I wondered whether the better point of comparison was Jewel's 0304, but that seems a bit off given 0304 was more like a hail mary pass from an artist already well and truly on the downward slope, having already gotten her New Jersey out of the way two albums prior.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:55 (eight years ago)
That's the trick with New Jersey albums, Tim: they don't crash and burn. They sell well, often very well.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:56 (eight years ago)
i don't think there will be a big drop-off from 1989 at all
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:59 (eight years ago)
sales wise
xxpost don't they tend only to sell well initially and then drop off - at least compared to the artist's prior performance?
I think TS and/or her team would consider anything more than a 30% drop relative to 1989 sales to be pretty troubling - though I think it would be the scale of the miss (together with surrounding public treatment) that would then determine what the reaction to that would be.
Of course for an Erotica level underperformance it'd be something in the order of a 60% drop, which I think is unlikely.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 02:17 (eight years ago)
The 60s: Albums must fit on a 40-minute vinyl recordThe 90s: Albums must fit on an 80-minute CD2017: Albums must fit on Taylor Swift's face pic.twitter.com/aJapkyXzxX— Steven Hyden (@Steven_Hyden) November 8, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)
"Jack challenged me to write song titles a fan would tattoo to her face"
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:53 (eight years ago)
― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes because the youngsters who buy taylor swift albums aren't overly concerned with the discourse or whether this album is a new jersey
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)
nah, there'll be a perhaps-insubstantial-but-still-notable sales dropoff if only because streaming has a bigger foothold especially among youth. i talk to a lot of young people who cock an eyebrow at paying for anything.
― maura, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)
Streaming is incorporated into sales though, right?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)
yeah but hasn't she said she's keeping it off streaming services?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)
Oh right, I thought she put her old stuff back up though. Does that not apply to the new album?
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:22 (eight years ago)
school of thought i've heard is she'll go to #1 in week one, see how week two goes and then go back to #1 on week three when she puts it on streaming if it makes sense
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)
in other words, we're dealing with an egomaniac, not an artist
― imago, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:51 (eight years ago)
false binary, whatever. she's evil
bc she's gaming billboard? who the fuck cares?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)
I can't defend this cogently but she gives me the vibe of a cult leader
― imago, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/da/f5/d3daf5fe5c5900e06b0931eeb84d9416.jpg
― the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)
threatening that blogger recently is the worst thing that I know of in terms of stuff she's actually done
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)
yeah no contest
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)
the reaction to the initial singles has been tepid enough that people will listen to whatever else.
(it's a lot harder to go platinum on streams alone)
― maura, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 19:38 (eight years ago)
an egomaniac, not an artist
interesting distinction
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)
oh my god is one of the songs really going to be called "this is why we can't have nice things" .............. -__________-
― dyl, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)
i lmao'd pretty hard at "12. dress"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:47 (eight years ago)
bonus tracks
16. i hope you're pleased with yourself17. this is the thanks i get?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:49 (eight years ago)
oh my god is one of the songs really going to be called "this is why we can't have nice things"
assuming that's a cover of the Andrew Bird-penned Kelly Hogan tune
― Simon H., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:52 (eight years ago)
oh man I gotta hear that if true
― sleeve, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 23:54 (eight years ago)
Hadn't 1989 leaked by now?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 9 November 2017 10:48 (eight years ago)
― imago, Wednesday, November 8, 2017
have you listened to music?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:50 (eight years ago)
I swear every time I see this thread I think it says "Republican."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:34 (eight years ago)
well she's an egomaniac see
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:35 (eight years ago)
Vox has the first long read of undoubtedly many more to come about why her change of persona isn't working this time around.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:18 (eight years ago)