Tusk Vs The White Album

The closest any Beatle came to sounding like Pink Floyd was McCartney on 'Loup' from Red Rose Speedway, particularly the part where it drops down to the organ and the ascending bassline.

lol okay I am glad you have finally arrived in my life to tell me what an album I have been enjoying for twenty years objectively "sounds like"

Nik Cohn otm

"okay Sheldon"

I'm gonna have to find that Nik Cohn review...

glass onions are usually translucent but not transparent btw

oh i now see that other sheldons have covered that.

Guys, it's 2017 and not all of you are baby boomers clinging onto the notion that things were, like, soooooo much better back in the day - it's fully acceptable to admit that not everything The Beatles did was/is great and you can call out these records for what they are instead of listening to 'em through the layers of bullshit mythology that's accumulated over the decades.

Can I just say - I'm not a baby boomer (born in 1997) and while listening to Sgt Pepper/The White Album/Abbey Road it was The White Album that was by far the most captivating listen - Sgt Pepper felt overegged and Abbey Road was just a dirge.

I'm gonna have to find that Nik Cohn review...

Take as long as you like. Even if it takes a year or two.

xxpost:

If you were born in 1997, that means you probably started to pay attention to music around the end of last decade/beginning of this one. The Beatles has, unfortunately influenced a lot of shit indie so it figures.

If you were born in 1997, that means you probably started to pay attention to music around the end of last decade/beginning of this one. The Beatles has, unfortunately influenced a lot of shit indie so it figures.

Nope, started paying attention when I was 5/6. Fair play for standing by your intial points, though.

Well said, Sheldon Jr.

turrican you make such wild & blind assumptions about people you don't know at all beyond a username and a birth year

more like Turrican-you-not

"profound mediocrities"? "boring beyond belief" ... seems like Nik Cohn had a point.

Also:

Sgt Pepper felt overegged

It is!

Abbey Road was just a dirge

It isn't! (There's about as much resemblance to a "dirge" as 'The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill' has to a "march")

What has always bothered me about FM was the slick production. It distracts from the fact that the songs are often musically quite poor.

i'm still wrapping my head around this one

Flappy bird, I don't need to know you on a personal level to reach the various conclusions I have.

i hate it when i am distracted from music's quality by good production

The beatles

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Sure, there are a couple of moments on Tusk that you could point to and say that the songs are more production exercises - 'That's All For Everyone', 'Brown Eyes' etc. but one of the big reasons why that incarnation of the Mac were so successful was the songwriting. If the songwriting hadn't been strong, they probably would have been as successful as the Welch era Mac.

Flappy bird, I don't need to know you on a personal level to reach the various conclusions I have.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:45 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thanks professor

The self-titled album from 1975 was successful long before all the soap opera crap, and was far more successful than a lot of the Welch era albums.

http://lovebeingretired.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Thoughtful-Gnome.jpg

Guys

Music isn't that interesting

It is but not right at this moment.

The beatles

― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:45 AM (four hours ago)

Great post. Reminds me of the Aram Saroyan book:

http://eclipsearchive.org/projects/BEATLES/html/contents.html

Turrican give me the time on the alleged bum piano notes on "Sexy Sadie."

I might have to plunk down one of these days for one of the mono White Album reissues you still see around. Was listening the other night and wondering what "Glass Onion" sounds like in mono with that cool bass part.

it's worth hearing if you like TWA, but I can't think of a single song that sounds better in mono vs. stereo on there. TWA was the first album they made in stereo (blah blah blah), and they were new to it, so the mixing sounds rough, almost amateurish, especially the hard panning on almost every song. it's another thing that adds the record's weird/shambling/chaotic feeling.

Cool bit though: pan your stereo all the way to the left on Happiness is a Warm Gun, and all you hear are the harmonies and bass, I think. A glorious sound

i have love for all ilx posters mostly but turrican's posts on this thread are bad

he doesn't find this album creepy? wtf

That's fair enough, he's welcome to his opinion, the problem is he doesn't seem to think anyone else is welcome to theirs.

i have love for all ilx posters mostly but turrican's posts on this thread are bad

― Treeship, Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:08 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he doesn't find this album creepy? wtf

― Treeship, Tuesday, October 31, 2017 8:09 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

neither do i or alfred

i think that's crazy. the nursery rhyme songs are ominous as fuck.

I don't find it creepy either, but who cares anyway?

Great post. Reminds me of the Aram Saroyan book:

http://eclipsearchive.org/projects/BEATLES/html/contents.html

― timellison, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 23:47 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thanks Tim

I dunno if you spotted it but I typed in in ed sullivans staccato style

Nursery rhymes aren't always creepy.

The creepiest thing is the tunelet on side three or four sung by McCartney ("Can You Take Me Back?" or whatever).

The mono version has loads of notable differences - the outro to 'Helter Skelter' which cuts off the end of the song, a different ending to 'Don't Pass Me By' etc.

Turrican is a mean dude; not sure why people give a fuck

i liked it when he called people 'Sheldon'

The creepiest thing is the tunelet on side three or four sung by McCartney ("Can You Take Me Back?" or whatever).

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 1, 2017 12:41 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The very end to 'Long, Long, Long' I'd say, but in either case we're talking a few seconds of a double LP that lasts over an hour and a half.

Ah so now you're saying it IS creepy!?

A few seconds of a double LP that lasts over an hour and a half =/= the whole album. I also said this, like, a zillion posts ago.

Secondly, something about lousy comprehension abilities.

The mono version has loads of notable differences - the outro to 'Helter Skelter' which cuts off the end of the song, a different ending to 'Don't Pass Me By' etc.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, November 1, 2017 2:56 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's true, there are lots of differences (one song is pitched up a semitone, a la "She's Leaving Home"), I was just saying I don't think any of the songs sound better in mono.

A few seconds of a double LP that lasts over an hour and a half =/= the whole album. I also said this, like, a zillion posts ago.

Secondly, something about lousy comprehension abilities.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Wednesday, November 1, 2017 2:54 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh this is gold

Yes, it's absolute gold that you're not good at either maths or reading.

that's true, there are lots of differences (one song is pitched up a semitone, a la "She's Leaving Home"), I was just saying I don't think any of the songs sound better in mono.

― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 1, 2017 4:54 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it might be 'Don't Pass Me By' that's actually the one that's pitched up - there's also different blackbird noises on 'Blackbird' and some other things here and there that I've possibly forgotten about... it's been a while since I've heard the mono version!

But yeah, generally everything up to 1968 sounds better in mono and almost everything after in stereo. There's exceptions: I prefer the mono Ogden's Nut Gone Flake to the stereo, for one.

I don't think there was a mono edition of Abbey Road unless it was just some shit fold-down.

I think....I'm coming around to Turrican tbh. At least it's a style.