Tusk Vs The White Album

I'm surprised George didn't sneak an Indian one onto the record, but he went all "back to basics" as was the fashion in '68.

"The Inner Light" would've worked

If you play "Savoy Truffle" backwards, it sounds like a boss raga (iirc).

This period is basically the beginning of John wanting to do stripped down rock music, George rediscovering the guitar and Paul's solo career.

Tusk is my favourite record of all time so this isn't particularly close for me but dog latin's last post there really nails the appeal of the White Album. The sequencing really does enhance it.

The big similarity with these albums is the relation they both have to the couple of records that came before them - the sense of a loosening up, a withdrawal from something, a blurring of the edges which yeah, does sound sloppy at times but in a pleasing way. I love them both a lot but TWA just has a handful of songs I've got no time for.

they also both signal the beginning of the end - two more relatively safe records by the same lineups, and then a split

I remember when I first heard The Beatles - I actually found it quite disappointing. It felt that they'd just thrown everything on there whether it was any good or not. One of the first things I did was try and condense it down to a single LP that I felt was of the same quality as Rubber Soul or Revolver. I still think that some of the bands worst songs are on The Beatles.

Abbey Road, on the other hand, blew my mind on first listen and is still one of my favourite LP's of all time, Beatles or otherwise.

It's not that The Beatles an unsafe record, it's just patchy.

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is sexy sadie basic rock or blues

It's a typical Lennon song performed with piano, guitar, bass and drums. Psychedelic or avant-garde it ain't.

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so why is this discussion happening again

there’s one avant garde song on this record. super weird that none of the other songs are avant garde

Well observed!

i just think you’re bad at listening to and describing music

like who gives a shit if you think the white album is patchy. that’s part of its appeal for the ppl who love it

I think you're bad at reading, comprehending and drawing conclusions.

But since you asked, this discussion is happening because some folks have read far too much into The Beatles' self titled album from 1968.

I'd much rather be talking about how great Tusk is, but there you go.

As far as I'm aware, The Beatles was generally considered to be a patchy record on release. So I guess this is like Gaucho in the sense that people got it right in the first place.

The Gaucho was Paul, BTW.

-----George Martin wasn't always around; the record's mostly self-produced.

Geoff Emerick was though, the sound/roughness is all as intended.

Brad totally otm above

Not even Geoff Emerick was around all the time.

divining intent re: "sloppiness" is a fool's game

Luckily we have a fool to hand.

quite

Guys, it's 2017 and not all of you are baby boomers clinging onto the notion that things were, like, soooooo much better back in the day - it's fully acceptable to admit that not everything The Beatles did was/is great and you can call out these records for what they are instead of listening to 'em through the layers of bullshit mythology that's accumulated over the decades.

Spoken like a true Fleetwood Mac fan.

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Aside from 'Revolution 9', 'Good Night' and 'Piggies', that's just a series of folk or rock songs.

― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Friday, October 27, 2017 3:20 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

come on dude you can say this about literally any album

tusk? that's just a series of pop songs.
a love supreme? that's just a series of jazz songs
to pimp a butterfly? that's just a series of rap songs

Well, y'know, I don't think about the break-up's and affairs when I listen to Rumours or Tusk - the music stands strong apart from all that backstory stuff, as great music should.

strong disagreement from me there

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esp given how willfully built around that mythology something like Rumours is, what with Stevie using her diary entries to compose lyrics etc., so much self-absorbed "confessional" crap all over the place.

I know I am in the minority as a Mac hater (see also: Bruce Willis, Michael Jackson) but I have a hard time peeling back the layers of bullshit from the Nicks-Buckingham era to get to anything interesting

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tusk? that's just a series of pop songs.

Hmmyeah, I don't think anyone is disputing this.

i am very open to contrarian opinions that try to undo received wisdom and canonization, unfortunately this opinion is the product of like, inattentive listening and bullshit posturing (just like the opinion about gaucho expressed pointlessly upthread and throughout several threads about that record) bc the white album is a great record, it sometimes feels like listening to three albums at once, even when i don’t like a song on it i’m drawn in by the vibe and atmosphere which yes is v shambolic that’s why it’s good

like my answer to the thread’s question is tusk bc that album is v v important to me and shaped my taste v early on but i don’t feel the need to be a huge shithead about it, telling truths about how the white album isn’t actually that good or whatever. how dumb. why listen to or think about music like that ever

'Go Your Own Way' and 'You Make Loving Fun' would still be perfect pop that is impeccably produced and well written and performed even if the lyrics to the songs were complete fantasy. It's actually quite easy to ignore the backstory and not invest in the soap opera element, which doesn't really interest me. What interests me more about that era of Fleetwood Mac is the vocal blend, Lindsey's guitar playing and the hooks.

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also gaucho slaps front to back, you’re wrong, log off

i am very open to contrarian opinions that try to undo received wisdom and canonization, unfortunately this opinion is the product of like, inattentive listening and bullshit posturing

...or in other words: "Wahhhhhh! I don't like what I'm reading, so I'll throw my rattle out of the pram!"

One of the benefits of being gay is I don't listen to music and hear biography. It's quite easy to listen to TUSK without the Mac mythos, thank you.

It's actually quite easy to ignore the backstory and not invest in the soap opera element, which doesn't really interest me.

EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, IT DOESN'T INTEREST TURRICAN, LETS NOT DISCUSS IT

the vocal blend, Lindsey's guitar playing and the hooks

idk these just don't do it for me, they just feel of a piece with any number of lite/country-rock 70s bands like the Little River Band or the Doobie Brothers or the Eagles or some shit. there's a gloss and some competent harmonizing and everything's clean and smooth but I just don't give a fuck about it, much less think it's *amazing* And I've never really read any effusive praise of Mac that *didn't* go into the mythology/backstory, I feel like that's always brought in at some point - as a selling point for how emotionally impactful and "deep" the songs are, the pain and complex emotions being conveyed - and it feels like weak sauce. There's any other number of 70s classic rock dinosaurs that engage me on just a technical and performative and compositional level (Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Heart, ZZ Top, Steely Dan on and on) and the Mac don't cut it.

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dude listen to "albatross"

And I've never really read any effusive praise of Mac that *didn't* go into the mythology/backstory

oh give me a break, try ILX threads praising FM for starters

and if you're talking about rolling stone magazine or something, who cares

they just feel of a piece with any number of lite/country-rock 70s bands like the Little River Band or the Doobie Brothers or the Eagles or some shit.

dude seriously

turrican doesn’t read this board, he just posts here

oh lol sorry that was shakey. shakey you’re wrong

Hopper's breakdown of Rumours here goes explicitly into the autobiographical nature of each song

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17499-rumours/

xp

also i’m pretty pro little river band and the doobies