t's impossible to point definitively to one particular quality that renders a tune "UK funky" on a sonic level
i'm sure this right but in my head the dominant rhythmic signifier of funky (O--XO-X-) is pretty much as clear as that of 2 step (O-X--O-X) tho there probably are more variations within the former (sorry any excuse to write 4 beat drum patterns using O, X and -)
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link
How am i supposed to read those drum patterns steve?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link
O = bassdrum- = unused beatX = snare
i fear i have written both wrong tho, that would be REALLY embarrassing
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link
oh-- then forget i quoted you. i've listened to a bunch of the Crazy Cousinz mixes, some donaeo, a lot of Kyla's stuff....
I guess that it just comes back to one of my original points, which is that a lot of this UK funky stuff is quite good, but it isn't anything new-- the same sonic pallettes and rhythm structures have been used for years and years...I mean, an example-- the excellent Black Coffee track above is similar structurally to a great number of MAW productions. that isn't knocking it, but i feel like the 'THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY' pronouncements that some are bandying about are just people looking to claim something as revolutionary. it's dance music, it's for people to dance and fuck to-- that's pretty elemental, and it all just depends on what one wants to dance and fuck to. i'd readily dance to some of this uk funky, but i'd definitely rather dance to a live set from an Ibadan producer like Tiger Stripes or almost ANY Strictly producer-- just a preference.
― the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link
now i take my leave-- tho this thread has been illuminating. thanks, tim, for not being a jerk, and i'm sorry if i was one at times. my american attitude, no doubt.
― the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link
It's just that the tracks you're talking about are almost certainly weighted down at the house-sounding end of the scene.
By way of comparison, Mos' Wanted's tracks on his myspace page - check "Different Lekstrix" and "Frozen" in particular - share zero in common with ibadan/strictly. The same applies for Lil Silva. And they're just two examples among many.
As someone who also loves Ibadan and Strictly Rhythm I can say this confidently!
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Not that I'm saying UK funky has to be distanced from US house to be good or interesting, but you're notion of what the scene is comprised of seems way off base to me.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link
argh your notion your notion your notion
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay-- will listen later today, on the bus! thx.
― the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
'Different Lekstrix' reminds me of Ellen Allien or some other boppin' German techno (think this comparison has come up before with some other stuff?)
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link
In other news, the Ill Blu remix is Shystie's "Pull It" is fab.
Also oi does anyone know that track Mak 10 plays with what sound like the bass riffs from Donaeo's "Bounce" and a cut-up male vocal going (what sounds like) "Getongetongetit!"??
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that stuff is rather different, though from the (disappointingly short!) Lil Silva clips, I think I like this stuff-- grime and soca beats with dirty Detroit tech synths. I think I'm gonna go surfing for some of his stuff.
Yeah, now I can understand a bit more of the talk, Tim. I still don't think it is revolutionary, but the Lil Silva and Mos Wanted stuff is clearly completely unconnected to MAW and Ibadan...so thanks.
― the table is the table, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link
The thing is that the rhythms in funky are much more flexible than that. I'd even say that very few funky tunes follow that simple soca/reggaeton pattern. "Do You Mind" for one, but most of the tunes that have followed have used more complex drumbeats with any variety of syncopated snare patterns over a 4/4, or maybe not. I don't think it can be claimed that there is one dominant rhythmic pattern. When I get home I'll post a few different funky drumbeats to illustrate.
― The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link
from looking at some of the analysis in this post, you lot can never talk shit about people posting on dissensus again.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
haha otm
― The-Reverend (rev), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Mak 10 & Shantie ruling my life atm
― look at you: lookin' like a lobster (tpp), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link
My post was pretty standard naval gazing on my part, and I'm 80% sure r|t|c is joking with all that schizoanalysis talk.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I wanted to mention that I totally disagree with the idea that the artist is the authority on their own work. k-punk's idea of "agents of the nuum" sounds dicky but I think it's basically correct to say that artists are rarely the best people to explain the quality and the functioning of their own work - being a good musician doesn't automatically make you a good critic, even a good self-critic.
After a couple of years of being a music critic I decided I no longer wanted to do artist interviews because 4 out of 5 artists will have really dispiriting or at the very least boring takes on their own music. I got sick of pretending I wasn't annoyed by it, and feeling like the quality of my articles was being dragged down by dubious "insights" provided by the subject matter.
A really good example was interviewing Frankie Knuckles: he dismissed all his pre-90s output as soulless machine crap...
Lex the fact that you skipped some of the conference in order to speak to Tori Amos (whose explanations usually detract from the enjoyment of whatever song she's talking about) should make this obvious!
DJs are often better interviewees in this regard because they spend a lot of time thinking about other people's records and how they fit into a context - in some senses a DJ set is a lot like a thinkpiece. This supports (or is supported by) chuck eddy's contention that music critics aren't frustrated wannabe musicians so much as frustrated wannabe DJs.
Certainly with dance music, the intentions of the author or the context of production will rarely have any direct bearing on how the music is experienced in its primary states of reception (be it on the dancefloor or in the car or wherever). It's nice to read about the backstory for "Love Dub" but that has no bearing on whether it works as a track, or how it works as a track.
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 May 2009 06:10 (fifteen years ago) link
hah tim, the schizo was a joke insofar as i don't really hold the bestest grasp of the term, yeah (does anyone?) - but my intentions were entirely genuine (as indeed throughout) in the sense that from what little i've read i do actually think it could be a useful text within the sphere of this particular parlour game ("within reason", heh); this was in reply to reynolds, after all. and whilst i was obviously having myself a little stylistic promenade there (cronenberg quote 4 the tru junglist intro clearly!), quite why you schoolmarmishly dismiss that one paragraph - and not uh, the one with the esemplastic modelised processuality or anything - as "performance" probably sez more about you & yours than it does about me, no?
not to mention you then going on to begin to address the funky "state of mind" anyway.
also table is the table, i hope tim reasoning with you on a track by track basis doesn't just make you transfer over your lust of the "revolutionary" over to a different strand of funky that you happen to be less familiar with - i'm not saying some tracks aren't original and excellent and all, but the key thing here is how old, new, borrowed and blue are all uncannily commingling now under one cognitive flag so to speak.
― r|t|c, Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link
daaaamn
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah wtf
― just sayin, Thursday, 14 May 2009 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link
r|t|c I don't want to schoolmarmishly dismiss your schizoanalysis, but you did start that bit with "simplistically speaking"!
"i hope tim reasoning with you on a track by track basis doesn't just make you transfer over your lust of the "revolutionary" over to a different strand of funky that you happen to be less familiar with - i'm not saying some tracks aren't original and excellent and all, but the key thing here is how old, new, borrowed and blue are all uncannily commingling now under one cognitive flag so to speak."
Yes, this is v. important. I actually feel a bit hypocritical saying "go check out Lil Silva!" because I don't like that attitude when it's expressed as e.g. "most UK funky is uninteresting vocal house crap but go check out Lil' Silva!" But when you're trying to convert outsiders you have to start somewhere.
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 May 2009 12:24 (fifteen years ago) link
what is the track(s) used on migraine skank? or who produced it if its not lifted from something else? i dont like the beat switch personally.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 18 May 2009 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link
that el-b song on footlooses show is great btw.
Most of the backing track on "Migraine Skank" is DJ Gregory's "Don't Panic" (possibly a remix or dub of same, I can't remember precisely), pitched up slightly I think - the switch in the middle is to Hard House Banton's "Sirens".
― Tim F, Monday, 18 May 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link
i dunno why i never recognise sirens. i even have the 12".
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 18 May 2009 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
It's kinda generic in the best possible way.
I just downloaded a Scotty D and Smoothie T set from January, hopefully containing lots of Scotty D dubs. I'm excited.
Will report back with a link if any good.
― Tim F, Monday, 18 May 2009 23:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I want to hear more stuff like Fuzzy Logik's "Work the love" where the traditional house elements come through really strongly but underpinned by funky's more sinuous rhythms and lurching grime bass. In general more like MA1's april 18th set on Rinse, but more UK (that mix is full of US stuff). The overall vibe is much more laidback than a typical Nasty set but with much richer sonics.
Any recommendations?
― Mirror-spangled elephant head (J@cob), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 08:42 (fifteen years ago) link
hot new Mak 10/Shantie mix
― Tim F, Friday, 22 May 2009 12:41 (fifteen years ago) link
some of the tracks on this mix are sick but sonically it's unbearably clipping and overdriven for ages arrrgh!
― Martinclark, Friday, 22 May 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I like the first tune about champagne receptions.
arf.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 22 May 2009 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Check Dark Night's "Who Said" and "Brpken Beats"
http://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/106524/dark/nightwhat's/your/name/+/who/saidhttp://www.bm-soho.com/store/AutoKey/104944/dark/knightreasons/broken/beats
Massive tunes, but more pertinently, this is basically 2-step isn't it? "Broken Beats" actually is more like breakbeat garage at its absolutely best, halfway between Zed Bias and Toasty maybe.
― Tim F, Saturday, 23 May 2009 08:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Heatwave got Capleton, Vybz, and a couple others to jump on "Party Hard"
http://www.theheatwave.co.uk/music/item/donaeoandfriends-partyharder/
― the tenth-most noxious weed on the planet (The Reverend), Monday, 25 May 2009 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
apparently Donaeo has an album coming on June 8th
― the tenth-most noxious weed on the planet (The Reverend), Monday, 25 May 2009 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/food/_notes/donaeo-sleeve.jpg
Tracklisting:
01 - Riot Music 02 - Devil In A Blue Dress 03 - Watching Her Move 04 - Because I'm Strong 05 - I 06 - Party Hard 07 - African Warrior 08 - Forbidden Fruit 09 - Mind Your Business 10 - Love Music11 - Be Mine 12 - When You're Alone
Bonus tracks:
13 - Over You 14 - Devil in a Blue Dress 2
― the tenth-most noxious weed on the planet (The Reverend), Monday, 25 May 2009 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link
interesting
his rmx of 'heads shoulders knees n toes' pwns all
― some people wait a lifetime for a momus like this (J0rdan S.), Monday, 25 May 2009 04:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I wish the album would have the version of "Party Hard" w/ Princess
― the tenth-most noxious weed on the planet (The Reverend), Monday, 25 May 2009 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link
"I want to hear more stuff like Fuzzy Logik's "Work the love" where the traditional house elements come through really strongly but underpinned by funky's more sinuous rhythms and lurching grime bass. In general more like MA1's april 18th set on Rinse, but more UK (that mix is full of US stuff). The overall vibe is much more laidback than a typical Nasty set but with much richer sonics."
jacob, I love this Dubplate Wonder set from January, and it may be close to what you're looking for:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4dxgmo
― Tim F, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
But my favourite thing right now is Big Kidd Productions' "Boom Ting":
http://www.uk-funky.com/ukfunky_previews_124.htm
The beats on this are massive.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Heatwave set on rinse fm blog - first thirty minutes are UK funky.
So good it makes me want to ;_;
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link
OMG: Puppet Master- Inflation Master Remix
Mix straight into it from "Inflation" (as per Footloose's 17 May show) and it's like the funky equivalent of, i dunno, the first three tracks on Underworld's second album.
― Tim F, Friday, 29 May 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
anyone ever find a non-radio rip of seany b 'lift me up'
i know i sound like a broken record but
― autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 05:28 (fourteen years ago) link
think it only exists in ur mind by now dude. myspace him maybe?
ayo talking of sounding like a broken record did we ever identify WAkeUPEaRLYInTHeM0rNiNGWAkeUPEaRLYInTHeM0rNiNGWAkeUPEaRLYInTHeM0rNiNG?? u know the one i mean
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Do you mean the Bongo Jam remix? It's by L-Vis 1990 & Bok Bok.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link
The Fantastic 4 (Ill Blu, Roska, Scratcha DVA and D-Malice) set on Rinse FM blog is HEAVY. Lots of ravey and electroic overtones. Fans of Jalla's "Turbulence" should check it.
― Tim F, Sunday, 7 June 2009 09:18 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously people.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 11:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Back once again (with big selections and dodgy mixing haha).... quick rushed one seeing as i was bored today....
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Tracklist:Black Coffee - Turn Me OnFingaprint - Nighttime In JulyAddictive - Domino EffectPerempay N Dee - Be Your Girl (Soulful Mix)Yonurican - Boriken SoulEnrique Benitez ft Mia Mendez - CookingCrazy Cousinz - AttractMj Cole ft Digga - Gotta Have It (Mj's Funky Dub)Ill Blu - Say YesSeany B - StompaFunky Soldiers feat. Kaysee - ThankfulFuzzy Logic - Your ManGarrison Hawk - Keep On Dancing (Crazy Cousinz Mix)Zed Bias ft Jenna G - FlySticky - The Fugitive RiddemLil Silva Vs Addictive - DramaIkane Ft. Xtine - Let You KnowMt Mathz - IAPMadslinky ft Jenna G - Something ExtraRoska - Elevated Levels Sophia Romain - Burning UpMighty Moe - Ride AgainMonk & Prof Ft Shea Soul - SupermanN10-Tainment - Funk LockdownS-Tee - Bran FunkMajor Notes & Koni ft General Levy - Meet Me On The DancefloorFrisco - Eyes On YouDonaeo - Watching Her Move
Download (Split Tracks):RS: http://rapidshare.com/files/242777683/FAZE-SUMMER_FUNK_09_MIX_CD.zipSS : http://www.sendspace.com/file/4o8p51Zshare : http://www.zshare.net/download/61163893ce7e5c05/
Single Stream:zShare: http://www.zshare.net/audio/61157682e7a5b171/
― faze01, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
That looks great faze!
Also, stop press - Ill Blu remix of Shystie's "Pull It Wheel It" and also his "Time To Get Nasty" go on sale at ukfunky.com on Monday. These are TUNES, okay.
http://www.uk-funky.com/ukfunky_previews_114.htm
― Tim F, Thursday, 11 June 2009 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link
cant stand that black coffee track. heard some older marcus nasty show on rinse this afternoon as a repeat. i think it was with mak 10. they were doing a crazy cousins competition during it. anyone know what date thats from? was seriously good.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 11 June 2009 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link
listening to your mix now faze - this sophia romain track is BIG!
― lex pretend, Friday, 12 June 2009 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link