Brand New: emo beacon or lesser light?

Kev and Flopson you missed out on the emo poll.

(the rest will be from TDAG and on)

xp spottie i really never dove deep enough into enough back in the day to have a truly informed vote, i was more into rap at that point in my life

Yah I was heavy into both in my early-mid 20s

i listened to 3 emo albums in my life at present, including this one lol

i loved atdi in hs but ito rock shit i was p much excluse the 'garage' scene (broadly defined) in my early twenties, no regrets as i had the time of my life playing and going to shows twice a week. the only ppl i knew into emo then were more about the mathy/post-hardcore end of it; i think i wasn't fully aware of how fully good emo bangs as conventional rock music

i havent listened to much "emo" music in like a decade, so maybe the scene itself has changed, but if science fiction is seen as an emo album it probably has more to do with the band's historic association with that scene than it does with the actual music

i mean this is just a rock album

it's post-emo

chorus of same logic is straight emo imo

yeah there's some touches for sure

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

another note from the show - lacey played 'soco amaretto lime' but changed the lyrics from "you're just jealous cause were young and in love" to "i'm just jealous cause you're young and in love"

the enunciation of the "boy we gave you every opportunity" part is super emo

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

another note from the show - lacey played 'soco amaretto lime' but changed the lyrics from "you're just jealous cause were young and in love" to "i'm just jealous cause you're young and in love"

― Mordy, Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:01 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i noticed this from a youtube recently, i like the change. also on a mostly unrelated note he sings "i am paid to make you boys panic while i sing" in "spin light" these days -- i get the feeling he realizes some of his earlier lyrics were kind of, to use a contemporary term, a little problematic

it was just striking to me along w/ the other stuff that it's a much darker more pessimistic gloomy take

yeah no idea what kind of place jesse is in but he's always been outwardly pretty troubled

the old stuff is good for what it is (music for kids) but it's not something i can really imagine listening to all the time anymore

fwiw i understand why you and presumably lacey feel this way but i think deja entendu continues to contain some of their most direct, affecting + memorable work. but i never think that "music for kids" is necessarily a limitation on popular music (i still listen to pet sounds too)

there were signs all over the venue when you entered that said that there would be no crowd surfing at the show and anyone who crowd surfed would get ejected. when the concert started the band played the first few songs behind a gate/fence that spanned the entire length of the stage like they were in jail. i was thinking "oh my god he is so freaked out about the audience he is playing behind a gate now" but it lifted after the first few songs i felt whew

sort of feel like if i were a band of brand new's popularity i'd be performing behind something bulletproof

Jesse Lacey threw his guitar last night. What an icon pic.twitter.com/gqCdo9Y1Ud

— Thiqq Goth GF (@valisneckdeep) October 22, 2017

Lets all go and meet our maker
Won't matter whose side you're on
We're so afraid, I prayed and prayed
When God told me to love the bomb
https://i.imgur.com/fwoNXZm.jpg

so this is looking pretty much like my aoty and unlikely to be dethroned

same

yep

Not there yet but I might have to resign to the fact that come December, this will be true for me as well. Pacing in that direction.

*dreams of Brand New winning the EOY poll*

Will def be a top 5

my new favorite part of this album is the solo in “137”

The guitar solo in "137" is the most glorious musical moment of 2017.

― ArchCarrier, Friday, October 6, 2017 11:47 AM (four weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah that whole song is great but I'm always waiting for that bit.

The album is currently my 2nd-favourite of the year behind Paramore.

both will be in my top 5 as well for sure

so

https://www.facebook.com/briankeithdiaz/posts/10155933792623552

pete wentz prob has an upcoming reckoning too

yeahhhh

sigh

i was aware jesse was an asshole for 1000 years but not that much of one

Brand New is cancelled and I'm here to remind you that you can't separate the art from the artist. pic.twitter.com/aa8SmJkA4z

— Autumn Lavis (@AutumnLavis) November 10, 2017

oh that's contained in the facebook thread. sorry.

lesser light

i like the music but this guy wears patagonia hats ppl

well damn :/

i’ve been flagging more posts than usual today

it’s almost always some asshole making a joke out of sexual assault

https://www.facebook.com/BrandNew/posts/10155923794753023

jesse basically admits to it without actually addressing it

don't recommend the comments

Felt like some of the powers that be were dragging their feet about permanently writing these guys off, but those new allegations should be the nail in the coffin. Truly horrific.

There was some other Warped Tour band a few years back accused of some similar grooming, right? Can't remember which one they were, but it makes me wonder if this is a trend that's particularly common in this scene. Seems like a toxic confluence of technology/fan access + song subject matter perfect for drawing/earning the trust and sympathies of vulnerable young fans. It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

i think this is a weird conclusion to arrive at but it sure is popular

anyway yes this band is basically dead to me

http://flavorwire.com/528083/pop-punk-keeps-forgiving-sexual-harassers-to-the-detriment-of-its-teen-girl-fanbase

Great piece. Also this one from 2015 hints at how vast the scope of the problem is: https://medium.com/cuepoint/warped-behavior-sexual-violence-on-tour-8ad218d50bc9

Gotta imagine there's a reckoning coming. How many dozens of bands must have known this stuff went on and turned a blind eye to it?

i was once at a green day show when i was about 15, i was getting a ride home from these friends of a friend's older brother and they were huge nerds who wanted to stay and meet the band afterwards, which i wasn't really interested in but they were my ride home. tre cool (who would've been late 20s at the time) spent the whole time trying to convince a 15/16 year old girl to get on the tour bus with him, and pulled his cock out at some stage with some really flimsy pretext.

jesus fucking christ

When I was in university taking a shuttle bus between campuses, I randomly overheard a girl (roughly my age at the time so I'd say 18-20) talking about how she'd had sex with someone from GD after a show. That's pretty second-hand, obviously, but it's always stayed with me.