― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― jm, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)
true, true, if only we could keep him away from crazy deals (with appropriate backwards z) and buying a sparkly eye patch.
Momus: Why, this eye patch is fantastical, I shall busk my new song, in celebration *singing* 'My eyepatch is a penis...OOOoOOOOooOOOoOO....'
TiCat Fan: Faggot.....*punches Momus in the eye*
Momus: I am Marquis de sade and will come over your town in sweet revenge.
I still like the idea that the t-shirt was ripped up in a bar brawl in hamilton ....
― doom-e, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 07:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 14 November 2002 02:56 (twenty-three years ago)
You're a sick man, Sterling.
Dan's comment is far too evil to be allowed to live. I love it that much. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 November 2002 09:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 14 November 2002 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 14 November 2002 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 14 November 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 January 2003 02:33 (twenty-three years ago)
http://www.lastplanetojakarta.com/shania.jpg
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 17 January 2003 03:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)
YOU DIE NOW, NED RAGGETT!!!!!
― Jaz Coleman, Friday, 17 January 2003 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)
Its also equally possible that a wardrobe consultant said "Wear this, its cool." I suspect this might be true because of the location these adds appeared in...they were targeted to specific areas (in Toronto atleast) and weren't used (that I've seen) outside of the once punk rock now trendy yet fashionable Queen Street West area of town and at the various subway stops near U of T.
I seriously doubt that its an attempt to win over young Ramones fans, but it could appeal to an older person who stopped following music years ago...the shirt reminding them of their youth, while Shania presenting the 'now'. Its the kinda of thing that could sucker 35-40 year olds who stopped buying albums years ago into re-entering the music buying market. "Shania likes the Ramones? So did I when I was young...maybe I'll give her another listen." Let's face it, atleast 50% (minimum!) of her audience is made up of people who never would have considered buying a country album before she came out.
Wow, I've put way too much thought and effort into Shania and her shirt.
― CretanBull (CretanBull), Friday, 17 January 2003 06:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 17 January 2003 07:52 (twenty-three years ago)
I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD FOR THIS, JOhn DARLELLE
― Jaz Raving Mad Coleman (vassifer), Friday, 17 January 2003 08:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Friday, 17 January 2003 08:33 (twenty-three years ago)
Why thank you :o) I kinda dove right in and haven't introduced myself yet....I think there's a thread for that!
― CretanBull (CretanBull), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 17 January 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 18 January 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 18 January 2003 08:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 20 January 2003 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)
People wear clothes to express themselves and send messages and maybe surprise people shockah!
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)
I think my basic gripe here (and my position has been softened quite a bit since my initial reaction and post, because someone pointed out to me that Shania wearing a punk band's t-shirt pissing me off basically = punk, because punk is supposed to piss people off, right?) is that there's a real disconnection between Shania Twain and the Ramones, and that yes, it does seem hyper-calculated. That AC/DC shirt above I can definitely see with her small-town background (oh and the fact that her husband produced the album in question on the shirt). I have no problem with Shania liking things other than her own genre, but there's still something about this that smacks of image consultant or desperate cred-grabbing.
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 20 January 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)
*though there is a lot more interesting stuff to say about her than this - putting out 3 versions of the same album is both amazingly cynical and artistically significant in terms of a big mainstream artist demolishing the idea of the 'original version'.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)
I think there are bigger questions about the culture of celebrity being raised with Shania and her Ramones T-shirt though -- a person who likes Shania might well enjoy the Ramones (or the Subhumans, which would have been a much savvier choice of T-shirt I must say) but in the rarefied air of unimaginable wealth like that enjoyed by Shania, doesn't it seem like the ability to process the data of the outside world gets compromised, or the nature of how it's done changes considerably? What I mean is: sure, Celine Dion could like any kind of music...but isn't it kind of difficult to imagine her listening to any kind of music at all?
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)
I think probably the wealthier you are the bigger the chances of your enjoying *everything*, not nothing - whether you enjoy it in the same way or in more of a 'diverting novelty' sense I don't know, not being incredibly wealthy.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 20 January 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)
The photographer is trying to convey sleaziness - that nice Shania also has a dirrty side. It's not a very good picture so I wouldn't say it worked.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 20 January 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 17:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 20 January 2003 23:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Monday, 20 January 2003 23:49 (twenty-three years ago)
(Also in any marketing exercise designed to appeal to/create a demographic, answering a strong "no" is as useful to Them and Their profiling as answering a strong "yes".)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 January 2003 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)
if one believes that ppl hearing heard the ramones would — for example — immediately begin to question their allegience to shania, then why complain when she gives the ramones a free endorsement? why is it so awful that outsiders and newbies find out about the ramones?
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)