― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Neil FC (Neil FC), Thursday, 9 October 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link
One of my all-time favourites.
― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 9 October 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link
― fernando, Thursday, 9 October 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link
― steve, Thursday, 9 October 2003 01:09 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2003 01:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 9 October 2003 01:14 (twenty years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 9 October 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 October 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2003 03:52 (twenty years ago) link
MogwaiGYBE!(some) Mercury RevSigur Ros
― turkey (turkey), Thursday, 9 October 2003 06:54 (twenty years ago) link
Do Lorelei count too? Their early singles were pretty shoegazey. And the Moon Seven Times?
― Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 9 October 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link
Half-String have the right tone but not as many hooks and the singer is slightly more mopey. Curtain Society have the hooks but are more crisp than Toulouse. I definitely recommend Half-String's A Fascination With Heights.
And everyone who praised the Ropers as one of the best groups of all time is unequivocably correct. Don't forget the early singles, handily compiled on the s/t ep. Does anyone here have the Boyracer/Ropers tour split 7" ... I've been dying to hear that song for years.
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Thursday, 9 October 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link
I have the Whipping Boy album (Heartworm) and consider When We Were Young as one of the great lost singles of all time, but in no way on this earth would I ever have thought of them as shoegazers.
― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 9 October 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link
i have that, somewhere in the deep recesses of my vinyl stacks. i'll have a look for it. it's a nice track..
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 October 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2003 23:55 (twenty years ago) link
― bob snoom, Thursday, 16 October 2003 11:22 (twenty years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 16 October 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link
reminds me... guitar "sunkissed" by morr... what if the sneaker pimps did a shoegaze record?m.
― msp, Friday, 17 October 2003 02:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 17 October 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link
― boldbury, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link
― boldbury, Friday, 17 October 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 17 October 2003 23:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 17 October 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 18 October 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 19 October 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Finelrond Brightblade, Saturday, 8 November 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 9 November 2003 03:18 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.gamerseurope.com/whippingboy/downloads.htm
― MB, Sunday, 9 November 2003 10:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 November 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link
― brooke, Saturday, 22 November 2003 02:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:07 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:28 (twenty years ago) link
Oh, there's far worse bands out there. I saw Duster and Hovercraft play an in-store in the mid 90s and they were pleasant enough.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 22 November 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 22 November 2003 10:00 (twenty years ago) link
How 'bout Creation era Telescopes....amazing.
― cs appleby (cs appleby), Sunday, 23 November 2003 10:08 (twenty years ago) link
― cs appleby (cs appleby), Sunday, 23 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link
― cs appleby (cs appleby), Sunday, 23 November 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
Is there a decent book or article out there that gets into how shoegaze came about, where it came from, etc.? Or do I just have to prepare a list of questions for Ned to answer?
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
HI THERE
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Something like Blissed Out gives a sense of some of the rhetorical claims at the time, but only from one person, after all. Even so, Simon Reynolds did help codify a lot of the language used to discuss it so you can't quite escape him on that front.
A larger perspective would have to go into a lot more -- that MBV in 1988 were synthesizing everything from Sonic Youth to Public Enemy to the Beach Boys to etc. etc. gives a sense of it, but at the same time it's not like they were the only band interested in those performers, and they certainly did not set out to go 'oh yeah let's create a genre called shoegaze,' any more than Bauhaus formed by thinking, "So, let's create goth." You'd have to also include other contemporary bands seen as allies or fellow travellers or what have you.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
David Cavanagh's My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry for the Prize talks about Creation more than shoegaze-as-such but there's a huge overlap by default. Mike McGonigal's 33 1/3 entry on Loveless goes into MBV's history. Again, too limited by half in terms of a truly encompassing study but still...
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I know you asked about books but I want to recommend a lost shoegaze classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GJ9IhY6BpE
― doo doo frown :( (Stevie D), Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah, good starting points. Thanks Ned. I didn't know there was a Creation book.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Thursday, 14 October 2010 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, read that one immediately -- Alan McGee hated it, calling it the 'accountant's story' or something similar, but he is so ridiculously wrong (and also is completely trying to hide any take on his former label that can't be summed up as 'yeah I was this wild and crazy RAWK guy trashing the man every chance I get!' -- I mean god bless the guy for doing what he did at all, obv., but he's long been caught up in his own mythmaking).
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 October 2010 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I will!
The reason I'm even thinking about it is I started thinking about the aesthetic of obscured or effaced vocals. It didn't exactly start with shoegaze (and definitely didn't end with it) but that seems to be the genre that really embraced it. I've been going through my collection thinking about the antecedents to the style.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Thursday, 14 October 2010 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the aesthetic of obscured or effaced vocals
FYI this is a totally different subject than shoegaze!
Kinda like saying, "Is there an article about how shoegaze came about? I started thinking about the aesthetic of distorted, woozy guitar sounds..."
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Thursday, 14 October 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link