The "bad guy" in the band: who are the other Mike Loves in music?

jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar

Actually Nardwuar seems like a good litmus test to see which band members are cool and which ones are dicks.

first few times i saw Nardwuar he was so intensely positive that it seemed ironic. soon i realized he is just incredibly sincere and it made me love it all the more but i could see someone not knowing and walking into that and thinking he is pulling something over on you.

"The keyboard player and bassist in Soul Coughing, if M Doughty is to believed."

Mark Degli Antoni or Steinberg or both?

Antoni did a great solo album at some point which I think is arguably more interesting than anything SC or Doughty ever did.

"if M Doughty is to be believed" is the part where i'd start asking questions tbh

Well, he wrote this book much of which was devoted to detailing how generally awful all of his colleagues in SC treated him, the keys and bass guys came off worse.

How true it is of course possibly nobody can truthfully answer.

jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar

i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks and Blur still come off worse in that video

he just exists in a world of what the fuck is wrong with you people? to me and still comes off as a reasonable human being compared to Blur

jfc how much of a dick do you have to be to hate on nardwuar

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not that this excuses his behavior at all, but dude was up all night the night before doing so much blow & was coming down hard when Nard came in. again it is completely unacceptable to be anything but deferential to Nardwuar no matter the circumstances. at least Thurston & Lee atoned in 2002.

i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks

the second part of this statement is especially insane

Soul Coughing is an interesting example. Steinberg and De Gli Antoni both come off pretty poorly in the book, but the not-so-hidden subtext there is that all four of them were assholes. To some extent Doughty would be good candidate for this thread, if not for the fact that he never really got his way in the band. For all the complaining he does in the book, if you read it and then listen to his CD of Soul Coughing "covers" (idk if they count as covers if he wrote them in the first place) you could make an argument that Doughty would've single-handedly ruined the band and torpedoed their chance at commercial success if he had full reigns over the band. Not to mention the fact that he was (by his own admission) fucked up all the time, was often late to the studio, and half-assed pretty much everything as the band went on.

someone mentioned Spiral Stairs way upthread and there was no discussion but i think he has a lot of the qualities. maybe not all, but definitely a few.

SM is such a cock though

Dave Grohl in ways

Phill Judd

Matt Sharp

Bev Bevan

Brian Ritchie

Stewart Copeland?

would be hard to be worse than Sting tbh

yea I don't see how Copeland fits here. Sting doesn't really either, he wrote like 80% of the band's material and 100% of their hits.

well he wrote the lyrics and claimed the credits and then you get him absolutely coining it in when puff samples the EBYT riff and andy doesn't even get a whiff of the royalties

i don't understand the shtick and i think he's a fucking dick and can only imagine he's enjoyed by dicks

the second part of this statement is especially insane

we may need to consider that NV is ILX's Mike Love

Copeland only gets credit for like 2-4 songs per album. I didn't think he wrote all that many lyrics.

Summers getting screwed out of the Pupp Daddy money is definitely pretty egregious though. IDK how much of that was on Stew though

Bear in mind I generally like Copeland as a musician, songwriter, composer, etc.

But in any interview, any documentary or video where he gets to talk, and in his fluffy-as-fuck memoir, he absolutely cannot ever shut up. He tries to come off as a genial goofball, but he keeps changing the subject to himself, and also never shuts up. On the "Certifiable" reunion tour DVD, he keeps talking and talking and you can see the other guys just rolling their eyes. "Oh, god, there he goes again." He makes Sting - STING - seem reserved and modest and shy.

They did this little faux-nonchalant Whisky appearance and they were like, "what should we play?" and Sting turns to Andy and says, "Do you know 'Message in a Bottle'?" So they start playing, and it sounds great. But Stewart doesn't realize the joke is over, and he's still pretending that they don't really know the song. So he is - get this - AUDIBLY CALLING OUT THE CHORD CHANGES, including the inversions/extensions and bass notes.

They were taking questions from a mainly-press audience and Questlove happened to be there, and Stewart gets all goofy about it, while clearly not knowing who Questlove is.

I mean, this guy is responsible for some of the purest joy I've ever felt, but whenever he opens his mouth it just sounds like the most show-offy class clown in the whole 8th grade. Andy's pretty cool, and Sting is... Sting. But Stewart always wants more of the spotlight than he's earned. Which makes him a Mike Love in my book.

I've always thought all of that band were dicks tbh.

Very compelling case, YMP. But Copeland's musicianship cannot be questioned. This is crucial in being a Mike Love.

tbf you could probably gather all that about him just by listening to his music. I think the big difference here is that Copeland contributed a ton to the band, in fact if you listen to his Klark Kent record next to Sting's solo stuff, you can make a pretty good argument that Copeland architected the whole sound in a way.

I believe Copeland wrote "Does Everyone Stare" and "On Any Other Day"; a few others that I can't call to mind right now. I see where you're going, flappy. If being an unquestionably good musician means you're not a Mike Love, I will defer to the hive-mind wisdom.

Mike Love's not really a good musician but he is a good songwriter

Mike Love's voice is his instrument!

it is not that great

tho I do think he made the most of it

Aruba, Jamaica, ooo I wanna take ya; Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama

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Hah. Left to right: L: Mike Love; R: Mike Love.

He sits behind his microphone: Johnny Carson
He speaks in such a manly tone: Johnny Carson

Ed McMahon comes on and says "Here's Johnny"
Every night at 11:30 he's so funny

^^^possibly the best song on "Love You" (not written by Mike tho)

So. In the movie "Frank," Domhnall Gleeson's character joins an existing band led by a reclusive visionary genius.

He proceeds to push the band in a more popular, less obscurantist direction, alienating the other band members.

Guess who else joined an existing band led by a reclusive visionary genius, then proceeded to push the band in a more popular, less obscurantist direction, alienating the other band members?

Anyone care to opine on who was the Mike Love of the New York Dolls?

John Stamos? (xp)