Music Criticism in Video Form

xp lol ok

dunno why D1st@l comes up on here but I talk with him irl-ish (internet but I know him for non-internet reasons) & he's def alt-right, bringing up Frankfurt School to "refute" that progressives won't harm his interests, etc. didn't realize anyone else would care what he thinks though! lol twitter I guess, I don't use it much so I don't know if he has a rep there or whatever

We're not talking about self-described classical liberals opining on tax policy here

won't somebody think of the inclusive fascists?

I like the "he's not a bigot, he just hates people who hate bigots" distinction

sup

http://www.youtube.com/user/Styxhexenhammer666

This channel is not available in your country.

What's his deal? I see him in a thumbnail now and then and wonder why he doesn't have a shirt on.

dunno why D1st@l comes up on here but I talk with him irl-ish (internet but I know him for non-internet reasons) & he's def alt-right, bringing up Frankfurt School to "refute" that progressives won't harm his interests, etc. didn't realize anyone else would care what he thinks though! lol twitter I guess, I don't use it much so I don't know if he has a rep there or whatever

― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:08 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There was a dust-up in my little world of electronic music recently because people discovered his alt-right Youtube channel. Boiler Room put him on blast. Not that he's a huge name or anything, but he's trying to work in a scene where progressive values are very important, and his music heavily references subgenres that come out of black and queer culture, etc.

xp chafes

he's got a Patreon, he can afford talc

yeah if you make fighting "SJWs" (aka people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity) your project I am not too worried about any subtleties lost by lumping you in with alt-right culture warriors. NV otm.

this is certainly not the right thread for such discussion (I seem to recall the creepy liberalism thread filled with posts on this matter) but perhaps "SJWs" cannot be exclusively defined as people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity

Think "SJW" can be safely defined as "word used exclusively by assholes"

^^^

yes

the brackets indicate as much

and yet you seem to be implying it has a valid use

that was not my intent though

anyway, I've very little interest in discussing politics and am already sorry I engaged so much with this, no offense intended

yeah if you make fighting "SJWs" (aka people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity) your project I am not too worried about any subtleties lost by lumping you in with alt-right culture warriors. NV otm.

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:39 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

SJW is definitely a dismissive term used by assholes. But yeah, way too much overlap with the alt-right culture warriors. Anybody with a legitimate argument is not using the term SJW.

So, bearing that in mind, this video, talked about in the Fader article and brushed past in his response, is the reason he can fuck off forever afaic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4lFSq_Efzk

I am sorry I gave that a click

"will white men ever have a voice in society?" hmmm good question indeed

Good idea putting a creepy ambient soundtrack in that video.

xxp Yeah, me too. But an unpleasant few minutes has saved me who knows how much time in the future.

Let's not forget One in a Million or Sebastian Bach's Aids Kills Fags Dead shirt, metal culture was (and often is extremely toxic, racist and misogynistic - and still is, check the near daily attacks on Kim Kelly) and I grew up on that shit. Also metal was hugely pervasive.

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:01 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fair points, i guess i just think a lot of meme culture has seeped into being influential in the political discourse, especially with the alt-right, the SJW bullshit, etc. there's no denying the bad aspects of metal, and i think back then it was certainly a misogynistic boys club. but i guess what really depresses me is that at the time of GNR/Skid Row, those two things you mentioned were iirc derided and certainly not championed. whereas today i wonder if they'd be seen as total edgelord moves.

I mean, derided by the music press, sure. Plenty of ppl in the audience might've felt differently, but there was no internet to tell that to.

also true

I don't think previous "edgy" subcultures recruited people
in the same way as these online hate communities, which appeal to people's frustration and sense of inadequacy to lure them into a radical political ideology. The alt right is more of a movement than a subculture, which is why it is so dangerous and why it has little to do with the old debates concerning controversial art, in which issues of "free expression" were salient.

they act like they still *are* salient though, which is the problem I was getting at upthread

The best way to describe it is like a public health crisis. This is like if the KKK staked out booths outside local high schools.

I'd argue that those things were derided in the mainstream media but embraced by a big chunk of the actual fanbase

also, I think the hipsterization of black metal (early 00s douches wearing Burzum shirts) was also contributed to the formation of the now-alt right

(along w/neo-folk, parts of industrial)

noisy shit nerds listen to while they're fragging noobs

Ehh I won't link to it but there's a 10-minute MDE youtube clip (which was linked to in an Atlantic article about World Peace) where Sam Hyde does a local stand-up routine full of stupid liberal-baiting and ethnic stereotypes. He's then followed by a woman comic, whom Sam proceeds to heckle, goading her into tapping him in the face with the mic and then grabbing her by the wrist, intimidating her to the point where she's screaming at him to leave.

Yeah I've seen this (not recommended obviously) and I think it gets at so much of what this section of the alt-right crowd is all about; the entire goal is to "trigger" someone and leave them a stammering mess, have them way nasty things to you and then go "see what a hypocrite they are?". I remember a while back when someone suggested Sam Hyde was alt-right and my reaction was, "the MDE guy? he's kind of a idiot and a provocateur but his humor is too nihilistic and shallow to even give it that much credit". Of course I was way, way wrong about that, but still, that's the way he comes off most of the time. It's like someone getting pissed off at Steve Brule.

As for Fader v. Fantano, it does stink of resentment at someone who unlike most media critics has turned what he loves into a livable salary. As for his deleted channel, I've never seen it, but satire does have a history of being misinterpreted. I don't share much in musical taste with Fantano, and am likely to disagree on the rare occasion he chooses to review an album I enjoy. But I can see how his enthusiasm could be infectious and appealing for others, for audiences that print criticism doesn't reach.

― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Come the fuck on. By this standard anyone more successful than you is above critique. It's an unrealizable ideal in a genre of art that is literally about people intellectual engagement with one another to say critiquing them is off limits

Everyone, I was wrong, there is in fact a new standard for music criticism in video form

THE ROCK REALLY WENT IN LIKE THAT 😩😩😩 pic.twitter.com/jmFbvAnm0e

— Complex Pop Culture (@ComplexPop) October 11, 2017

I am now actively campaigning for The Rock to be President.

you're probably joking but i'm pretty sure i would vote for the rock in any presidential contest idgaf

you should read this Caity Weaver piece

https://www.gq.com/story/dwayne-johnson-for-president-cover

I already did!

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws

(apologies if GQ covered any of that)

not only do i think he'd make a good president but i think he would easily win he's widely beloved and one of the most charismatic + engaging americans alive

His solicitude, I realize, is also why he wanted to drive: Johnson's “private gym” is situated in one of the top ten worst locations I have ever been, including all grocery-store bathrooms. “This is why I didn't want Uber to just drop you off here,” he says as he pulls into a desolate parking lot. “Because this is a shitty neighborhood.”

What Dwayne Johnson calls “a shitty neighborhood” could more accurately be styled “a void of humanity right here in sunny California.” It's somewhere you could go to procure the bulk materials needed to construct a shitty neighborhood: DOORS, promises a sign on one empty building; SIGNS, another. Johnson parks his Escalade next to an abandoned Honda Prelude.

“Where are we?” I ask, unable to believe that my best friend has brought me here. “Warehouse district,” he announces proudly, unlocking an unmarked metal slab of a door. “Private gym.” He holds the slab open for me.

“I'm in the process of looking for a bigger space***,” says Johnson, his voice bouncing off the cavernous walls of the biggest space I have ever seen.

***the white house???

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws

I take it you haven't seen Snitch. You should; it's a good movie and deals with a lot of this stuff.

I have not though he didn't write or direct it? (I do see he has a producer credit but that could mean a lot of things.)

i don't know how fleshed out his policies are - his background and comments over the years suggests to me that he probably wouldn't do much for you re american exceptionalism in foreign policy, but is pro reforming the prison industry and drug enforcement laws. he's apparently making a documentary on the topic for hbo - spin writes about it: "By all indications, the doc is meant to make the case that a carefully-regimented boot camp system, mixing punishment and rehabilitation strategies, could be an effective substitute for long prison sentences, and a better way to combat recidivism." -- he was arrested a few times as a young person. more importantly to me he seems to genuinely care about people and want to do the right thing, and he seems very smart and capable. there's some ambiguity about whether he'd even run as a dem or rep which probably speaks to how he hasn't taken firm stances on extremely controversial positions. i'm not sure that troubles me so much tho.

the right is also way better at reorienting the discourse so it uses their words. 'political correctness,' 'sjws,' 'fake news'... all of those terms (and way too many others) are not neutral and when people who posit themselves as such use them it's extremely disheartening

otm -- SJW's is exclusively used to attack women and people who defend women, fake news is used exclusively to attack even lightly critical takes on Trump or the right wing, etc