Music Criticism in Video Form

without a doubt no group on the whole is homophobic than old school east coast street/lyrical rappers, the way they talk in DJ Vlad interviews is terrible

ok, three things..

xxxp Yeah ok, I agree with that. The toxicity and (apparent?) influence of the shitlord subgenre is making me forget the mundane memes I actually encounter a lot more of. Also agree that Fantano's defensive attitude isn't helpful. As far as engaging the batshit I find the ContraPoints yt channel really refreshing.

I believe Fantano is sincere that he is not alt-right and sincere about all of his rebuttals in the vid. At the same time, and what was not addressed in his video response, is that he is anti "SJW" and anti "tumblr feminist" which is a distinction I think is being lost here. Plenty of audience overlap, but I think he's definitely the typical online persona in that sense where he is extreme berniebro/4chan shitposter/reddit hivemind all at once. The reason he mingles with anyone alt-right is because he probably wants to talk to them about how SJWs are ruining culture, as far as I can tell.

He should have found a better way to critique SJW culture then. The left benefits from internal debate and discussion but not when one side makes common cause with the far right.

The broader point here is that you don't have to be aligned with the political right to be misogynist or racist.

an even broader point that there is nothing inherently racist about right wing ideology

the alt right *is* explicitly racist

xp lol ok

dunno why D1st@l comes up on here but I talk with him irl-ish (internet but I know him for non-internet reasons) & he's def alt-right, bringing up Frankfurt School to "refute" that progressives won't harm his interests, etc. didn't realize anyone else would care what he thinks though! lol twitter I guess, I don't use it much so I don't know if he has a rep there or whatever

We're not talking about self-described classical liberals opining on tax policy here

won't somebody think of the inclusive fascists?

I like the "he's not a bigot, he just hates people who hate bigots" distinction

sup

http://www.youtube.com/user/Styxhexenhammer666

This channel is not available in your country.

What's his deal? I see him in a thumbnail now and then and wonder why he doesn't have a shirt on.

dunno why D1st@l comes up on here but I talk with him irl-ish (internet but I know him for non-internet reasons) & he's def alt-right, bringing up Frankfurt School to "refute" that progressives won't harm his interests, etc. didn't realize anyone else would care what he thinks though! lol twitter I guess, I don't use it much so I don't know if he has a rep there or whatever

― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:08 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There was a dust-up in my little world of electronic music recently because people discovered his alt-right Youtube channel. Boiler Room put him on blast. Not that he's a huge name or anything, but he's trying to work in a scene where progressive values are very important, and his music heavily references subgenres that come out of black and queer culture, etc.

xp chafes

he's got a Patreon, he can afford talc

yeah if you make fighting "SJWs" (aka people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity) your project I am not too worried about any subtleties lost by lumping you in with alt-right culture warriors. NV otm.

this is certainly not the right thread for such discussion (I seem to recall the creepy liberalism thread filled with posts on this matter) but perhaps "SJWs" cannot be exclusively defined as people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity

Think "SJW" can be safely defined as "word used exclusively by assholes"

^^^

yes

the brackets indicate as much

and yet you seem to be implying it has a valid use

that was not my intent though

anyway, I've very little interest in discussing politics and am already sorry I engaged so much with this, no offense intended

yeah if you make fighting "SJWs" (aka people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity) your project I am not too worried about any subtleties lost by lumping you in with alt-right culture warriors. NV otm.

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:39 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

SJW is definitely a dismissive term used by assholes. But yeah, way too much overlap with the alt-right culture warriors. Anybody with a legitimate argument is not using the term SJW.

So, bearing that in mind, this video, talked about in the Fader article and brushed past in his response, is the reason he can fuck off forever afaic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4lFSq_Efzk

I am sorry I gave that a click

"will white men ever have a voice in society?" hmmm good question indeed

Good idea putting a creepy ambient soundtrack in that video.

xxp Yeah, me too. But an unpleasant few minutes has saved me who knows how much time in the future.

Let's not forget One in a Million or Sebastian Bach's Aids Kills Fags Dead shirt, metal culture was (and often is extremely toxic, racist and misogynistic - and still is, check the near daily attacks on Kim Kelly) and I grew up on that shit. Also metal was hugely pervasive.

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:01 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fair points, i guess i just think a lot of meme culture has seeped into being influential in the political discourse, especially with the alt-right, the SJW bullshit, etc. there's no denying the bad aspects of metal, and i think back then it was certainly a misogynistic boys club. but i guess what really depresses me is that at the time of GNR/Skid Row, those two things you mentioned were iirc derided and certainly not championed. whereas today i wonder if they'd be seen as total edgelord moves.

I mean, derided by the music press, sure. Plenty of ppl in the audience might've felt differently, but there was no internet to tell that to.

also true

I don't think previous "edgy" subcultures recruited people
in the same way as these online hate communities, which appeal to people's frustration and sense of inadequacy to lure them into a radical political ideology. The alt right is more of a movement than a subculture, which is why it is so dangerous and why it has little to do with the old debates concerning controversial art, in which issues of "free expression" were salient.

they act like they still *are* salient though, which is the problem I was getting at upthread

The best way to describe it is like a public health crisis. This is like if the KKK staked out booths outside local high schools.

I'd argue that those things were derided in the mainstream media but embraced by a big chunk of the actual fanbase

also, I think the hipsterization of black metal (early 00s douches wearing Burzum shirts) was also contributed to the formation of the now-alt right

(along w/neo-folk, parts of industrial)

noisy shit nerds listen to while they're fragging noobs

Ehh I won't link to it but there's a 10-minute MDE youtube clip (which was linked to in an Atlantic article about World Peace) where Sam Hyde does a local stand-up routine full of stupid liberal-baiting and ethnic stereotypes. He's then followed by a woman comic, whom Sam proceeds to heckle, goading her into tapping him in the face with the mic and then grabbing her by the wrist, intimidating her to the point where she's screaming at him to leave.

Yeah I've seen this (not recommended obviously) and I think it gets at so much of what this section of the alt-right crowd is all about; the entire goal is to "trigger" someone and leave them a stammering mess, have them way nasty things to you and then go "see what a hypocrite they are?". I remember a while back when someone suggested Sam Hyde was alt-right and my reaction was, "the MDE guy? he's kind of a idiot and a provocateur but his humor is too nihilistic and shallow to even give it that much credit". Of course I was way, way wrong about that, but still, that's the way he comes off most of the time. It's like someone getting pissed off at Steve Brule.

As for Fader v. Fantano, it does stink of resentment at someone who unlike most media critics has turned what he loves into a livable salary. As for his deleted channel, I've never seen it, but satire does have a history of being misinterpreted. I don't share much in musical taste with Fantano, and am likely to disagree on the rare occasion he chooses to review an album I enjoy. But I can see how his enthusiasm could be infectious and appealing for others, for audiences that print criticism doesn't reach.

― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Come the fuck on. By this standard anyone more successful than you is above critique. It's an unrealizable ideal in a genre of art that is literally about people intellectual engagement with one another to say critiquing them is off limits

Everyone, I was wrong, there is in fact a new standard for music criticism in video form

THE ROCK REALLY WENT IN LIKE THAT 😩😩😩 pic.twitter.com/jmFbvAnm0e

— Complex Pop Culture (@ComplexPop) October 11, 2017

I am now actively campaigning for The Rock to be President.

you're probably joking but i'm pretty sure i would vote for the rock in any presidential contest idgaf

you should read this Caity Weaver piece

https://www.gq.com/story/dwayne-johnson-for-president-cover

I already did!

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws