Music Criticism in Video Form

Milo before one of his college appearance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umU8vKRNnRw

isn't his entire thing stating outright that most people are inconvenient and it's fine to dispose of them because you are biologically superior

well if you think that matters let me tell you about the fanbase of a show called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

that said putting such a character at the center of your show is definitely what leads to having some shitty fans, nearly all of the real toxic shit that comes out this seems to come from people who identify with Rick. which is like SP fans who think Cartman is the hero. disclaimer I have actually only watched one full episode of this show. sorry to disappoint

is there a good critical thread for the whole tim & eric/adult swim/surreal/nothing matters humor thing? it is kind of an epidemic. maybe there is talk about it on an adult swim thread. i'm not trying to start anything here. or maybe a good article?

idk but it's kind of interesting that some of these guys have felt the need to "come out" strongly as anti-Trump/alt-right because they would up inadvertently cultivating the wrong fanbase. Tim Heidecker doing political humor is not something I would've anticipated in 2015

rick & morty is good. not adventure time good, but good.

all these cartoons kinda remind me of each other. steven universe. uncle grandpa. i blame chowder. or flapjack. all shows i like!

the adult swimification of the world and the internet is something else though. chowder gone sour.

Stop blaming your sub-tribal affiliations for your across-the-board shittiness.

I can't believe nobody did a "new borad description" joke with this one

I was off-put Rick and Morty for a long time cos I don't much care for Adult Swim vibe

is there a good critical thread for the whole tim & eric/adult swim/surreal/nothing matters humor thing? it is kind of an epidemic. maybe there is talk about it on an adult swim thread. i'm not trying to start anything here. or maybe a good article?
idk but it's kind of interesting that some of these guys have felt the need to "come out" strongly as anti-Trump/alt-right because they would up inadvertently cultivating the wrong fanbase. Tim Heidecker doing political humor is not something I would've anticipated in 2015

― frogbs, Friday, October 6, 2017 11:03 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tim heidecker has been portraying a satirical conservative fictional version of himself on on on cinema since 2012

was watching patton oswalt hillbilly show and i thought it was kinda weird that he was doing an adult swim version of a mr. show sketch. i mean it wasn't THAT weird. but he's not a young man anymore.

heidecker made an entire album's worth of dumb songs about herman cain in 2012 fyi

it really does seem like every ILX conversation about racism eventually turns into a ranking of each poster's favorite Adult Swim shows

i've narrowed down the birth of adult swim humor to this 1 minute and 45 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA-rIhvpNGQ

"it really does seem like every ILX conversation about racism eventually turns into a ranking of each poster's favorite Adult Swim shows"

lol, is this true? it probably is knowing this place. so what is your favorite adult swim show?

parker and stone having a moral center unlike dan harmon is jut incomprehensible to me. R&M, like community before it, is about narcissists coming to terms with their love for other people. it's way healthier than any other show about a genius in the last 15 years. south park is just nihilism. yeah, burn this thread I guess.

Hah that whole Cainthology thing was so bizarre any political content in it seemed almost secondary

to you

it really does seem like every ILX conversation about racism eventually turns into a ranking of each poster's favorite Adult Swim shows

i find this depressing and sad and yah ilx white people need to listen better.

Well this is the Fantano thread

the dude out here defending RYM and Rick and Morty, watching The Orville, posting all over Zappa and TBMG and Magic the Gathering and Norm MacDonald threads, writing treatises on vaporwave... you may want to take a look at the people in your immediate circle there, dogg

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, October 6, 2017 11:19 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why do these threads all turn into your hipster studies posts

sorry just got to this post:

Stop blaming your sub-tribal affiliations for your across-the-board shittiness.

― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, October 6, 2017 11:42 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sums it up

this is the fantano thread and these stupid asides about adult swim are reasonably germane. unless you actually think that whiney is saying "only nerds who watch rick and morty are racist" what is your objection?

isn't his entire thing stating outright that most people are inconvenient and it's fine to dispose of them because you are biologically superior

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, October 6, 2017 12:04 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you remind me more of alt right posters than the show does

this is the fantano thread and these stupid asides about adult swim are reasonably germane. unless you actually think that whiney is saying "only nerds who watch rick and morty are racist" what is your objection?

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, October 6, 2017 1:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he literally said that if you've seen more than one episode you're basically alt right, its a stupid argument

Also something something Norm Macdonald

I do feel like South Park normalized anti-semitic humor to a generation of redneck kids who didn't actually know that many jewish people, so they didn't see what the big deal was. Cartman might not be the hero, but he was the kid that got all the best jokes in the early seasons and was easily the most popular character. Expose that generation of kids accustomed to anti-semitic humor with people who use anti-semitic humor as an entryway into actual anti-semitic ideas and you have a fertile ground for the alt-right we see today.

Obviously there are other factors, but South Park helped lay the foundation for this particular prong of the alt-right.

i think south park ideologically is a much more fucked up show than rick & morty although both attract idiot fans

great thread

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, October 6, 2017 12:56 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rick & morty is show about, like, emotionally abusive family dynamics, fantastical worlds & tightly constructed plot mechanisms. i dont think its ideologically pure or something but its ideology is more complex than is represented by its fans overidentifying w the main character

I do feel like South Park normalized anti-semitic humor to a generation of redneck kids who didn't actually know that many jewish people, so they didn't see what the big deal was. Cartman might not be the hero, but he was the kid that got all the best jokes in the early seasons and was easily the most popular character. Expose that generation of kids accustomed to anti-semitic humor with people who use anti-semitic humor as an entryway into actual anti-semitic ideas and you have a fertile ground for the alt-right we see today.

― brontosaur

wait, there was a time when anti-semitic humor was considered abnormal among rednecks?

ahh the redneck scapegoat

I grew up in a small redneck town. There were two jewish kids in the whole school. I never heard any one make any jewish jokes at all. Then South Park comes out, and its just part of the lexicon.

I grew up in a small-to-medium-size town and my grandmother seriously considered changing her last name because of anti-semitism, so you might want to consider your sample there

the bootleg VHS going around at my school of one of the first Christmas specials felt like it came from the same place as one of David Allan Coe's racist underground albums. the jewish jokes got the biggest laughs when it was watched in the dorm lounge.

Whiney is right that the alt right grew out of nerd subcultures, specifically. There's something there. Even though the alt right is just one manifestation of bigotry in America it's the one we're discussing here, that Fantano tried to court just like Milo Yiannapolous. (Fantano was being sneakier I guess, and wasn't financed by the Mercers.)

It's wrong that to say all nerd media is infected with reactionary ideas but that world IS a battleground. It's not just incidental that so many women are harrassed when the centure into those spaces, specifically.

(to clarify, this would have been during the 1980s, when she and my parents moved there)

*venture

I grew up in a town that didn't have a single towlie

Ok, maybe South Park has nothing to with anti-semitism and didn't influence a generation of kids. Sure. I'm just a data point after all. All I know is other races were definitely casually on the table for derision and slurs in a super casual way, and that Jewish people were never (or rarely) part of that equation until South Park came around.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccco4ASA1EI

All I know is other races were definitely casually on the table for derision and slurs in a super casual way, and that Jewish people were never (or rarely) part of that equation until South Park came around.

so there's something I've got to tell you about history

South Park is a disaster for the moral development of kids everywhere. It def normalized "edgy" racist and antisemitic jokes in my hometown, in the wild foothills of Middlesex County, New Jersey.

That sentence wasn't meant to apply to the entire world. Just my peer group growing up. If that wasn't clear, I apologize. If you want to defend South Park, by all mean be my guest.

mean=means, obv.

so there's something I've got to tell you about history

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, October 6, 2017 1:15 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

The alt-right existed before Gamergate. It didn't call itself "alt-right" but it was there. I grew up in a Twin Cities exurb in the 80s and it was all around me the entire time, from the kids who would attempt to put me back in my place by calling me a nigger, spook or jungle bunny to the Pink Floyd fans who thought the mental breakdown in The Wall was a spiritual awakening meant to be emulated to the country music fans who called rap "jungle music" to the people who thought Minneapolis was a den of crime because a few black people lived there to all of the people resentful of the casino on the reservation south of town. It was the exact same bullshit, only instead of expressed via a cartoon frog it was passed around in notes and through championing certain musical acts, often regardless of whether the acts in question would have condoned being a conduit for that type of messaging (Iron Maiden leaps instantly to mind).

The way the war is being waged is different because the weapons have changed but it is the exact same thing the country has been dealing with since before any of us were born.

I was 9 or 10 when South Park came out. I was also the only Jew in my class. I can echo brontosaurus comments verbatim.

It's wrong that to say all nerd media is infected with reactionary ideas but that world IS a battleground. It's not just incidental that so many women are harrassed when the centure into those spaces, specifically.

― Treeship

goddamn right it is a battleground. plenty of geek ladies, cis and trans, fighting to be heard.

can we change thread title to "the goddamn white supremacist fucks"

i don't let my kids watch south park. or the family guy. weirdly enough. they probably do when i'm not around though. they are the two shows i never want to hear in the house.