RIP Grant Hart

I've been bitching about this forever but can we briefly discuss how fucking insane "New Day Rising" would have been if you swapped out "How to Skin a Cat" & "Whatcha Drinkin" for "2541"?

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, September 15, 2017 10:23 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark

totally completely fucking insane!!!
omg

yeah it's kind of infuriating in retrospect, it's one thing if it were left off this perfect record but to leave it off in favor of two obvious throwaways is pretty shitty

Now That You Know Me, is this the only Grant solo track that was (if I'm remembering right, I think I have a copy of it somewhere) demoed or played with Husker Du?

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I mean I don't know if it was those two songs specifically but if I wrote "2541" and was told it wasn't good enough and those two songs stayed...I don't know if I would have been in the band for two more yrs.

I read that Bob's (stated) reason was it sounded like a contemporary Dream Syndicate song? (mighta been from his book)

I honestly didn't even know he had kids or a family.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 15, 2017 12:06 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wasn't this a partial catalyst in the breakup of the band? his kid was conceived around this time, right?

or at least, it happened close to when they broke up

xp yes, Bob claims in his book he said to Grant "hey uhhh.... eh it kinda sounds like the Dream Syndicate single now, maybe we shouldn't." and then suggests that was "the beginning of the end." obviously take a salt shaker w that

Is he thinking about "Tell Me When It's Over?" Because I hear that, if only very loosely.

well sounds like he meant it planted a seed of discontent xp

xp I doubt it, that's from '82

There's a version of Now That You Know Me played here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJr6GIyUi80

I read that Bob's (stated) reason was it sounded like a contemporary Dream Syndicate song? (mighta been from his book)

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i love this reason of Bob's, don't want to sound like this iconic song no one can seem to remember the name of by global mega stars Dream Syndicate that dominated the airwaves and MTV in the fall of 84!!

well, he wasn't a soothsayer :)

at some point yesterday after the fog of sadness lifted, I though 'Grant has a wife?!".

great jon wurster appreciation: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/drummer-jon-wurster-on-grant-hart-the-center-of-a-hurricane-w503420

I have been playing through all of the Husker Du albums, something I don't think I've ever actually done before; as a kid, I got very hung up on Zen Arcade, particularly "Hare Krishna" and "Reoccurring Dreams", and isolated a good amount of my Husker appreciation to that album and specifically those two pieces of music.

I'm still not a gigantic fan of hardcore vocals but these guys are continuously playing their asses off to a degree I certainly didn't appreciate as a kid. Also, "Diane" is a sledgehammer of a song; I almost got hung up on repeating that but I really want to go through the whole catalog before circling back on obsession points.

I am finding that I like this band even more than I thought I did, which makes me sadder about Grant's passing and that I didn't appreciate what he and his bandmates had done more while he was alive.

RIP

particularly "Hare Krishna" and "Reoccurring Dreams", and isolated a good amount of my Husker appreciation to that album and specifically those two pieces of music.

I always wished they'd done more things along the lines of "Reoccurring Dreams." Given how incredible it is (particularly the live versions), it's sad and kind of bewildering that they never went back to that well.

They did a mean helter skelter live which is a kind of similar thing - basically a vehicle for weird jazz rock improv noise. There was version on the 'don't wanna know if you are lonely' 12"

I feel like reoccurring dreams and the last two songs on flip your wig might have been somewhat influenced by Greg norton's king crimson love? They feel like punk rock manifestations of like Red, Fracture, Sheltering Sky...

he's from Serbia and said Grant played Serbia in 1994

Coincidentally came across what might be a recording of those shows the other day (link says 1995) -- from the soundboard, great quality.

http://ivemadeyouatape.blogspot.com/2011/03/grant-hart-live-kst-beograd-1718111995.html

Hare Krishna is a personal fave, just a huge mountain of sound collapsing around you

Marshall Crenshaw did a really nice cover of "Twenty-Five Forty-One" (starts around 3:30). You'd have to go some to do a bad one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWs4nnLKAr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi6Z8BHiH1g

......

I feel like reoccurring dreams and the last two songs on flip your wig might have been somewhat influenced by Greg norton's king crimson love? They feel like punk rock manifestations of like Red, Fracture, Sheltering Sky...

― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, September 15, 2017 3:17 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"How To Skin A Cat" and "The Wit & The Wisdom" have long sounded to me like MX-80 Sound originals, but I can certainly hear KC, now that you mention it.

RIP

Another vote for where can we hear that version of "Little Johnny Jewel." Or is it in that same place in the Twin City Ether that "Wally" is? /Asking for a friend

There's a version of Now That You Know Me played here:

its on that posthumous The LIving End live LP, too

So it is! I never really listened to that live album, maybe I should. I recall at the time it sounded pretty bad, especially compared to all the other boots I had from previous tours.

I moved back to teaching grade 3 the past couple of years, and I'm glad I made the move, but I really wanted to be back in grade 6 this week. I would have spent a half-hour talking about Grant Hart and showing YouTube clips--talked about Husker Du's importance to me, but mostly tried to place them in the context of 1984, alongside some names they knew at least a little bit about (Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince). One thing I really liked yesterday was when the guy across the hall, who I'd estimate is 10 years younger than me, said that news about Grant Hart showed up on his Facebook wall. I said that mine had been wall-to-wall; just a single post on his--he'd never heard of Husker Du till I mentioned Hart's death the previous day. These things resonate more with me nowadays when I move outside the bubble where Husker Du are as much a fact of life as the Beatles. I love that, even though the biggest part of my social world was immersed, there's this whole other part who have still never heard of Husker Du, and for a few of them that would change now.

A clearer explanation of some of that, down towards the bottom (I wrote this about 15 years ago, and don't want to repeat it all).

That's the sort of stuff I was thinking about earlier on one of the HD threads. At the band's peak they were still lower profile than, say, the Replacements. Even back when the band was broken up but the music was fresher it was still something many had to discover. Now it's been, what, 30 years since the band broke up? That's as far as the Beatles were from their end in 2000 (coincidentally when the "1s" album was released and "reintroduced" a new generation to the Beatles, of all bands, the one band you'd think wouldn't *need* to be reintroduced). I figure only a fraction of people who bought Copper Blue in large numbers worked backwards toward HD, and then I figure only a fraction of those people clicked with HD. Anyway, I think a lot of people took HD's legacy sort of for granted, but I've been heartened by the number of pieces I've come across the last couple of days that have capably provided both context and also a fair assessment of the group's indie/punk/pop/whatever linchpin status.

This is a all a jumble, sorry, but it reminds me of my shock when "Never Mind the Bollocks" finally went platinum maybe 25 years after its release, and I thought, really? One of the most written about bands of all time, a true before/after touchstone, and there's literally just one album, and it took that long to sell a million copies? Husker Du never had a chance, let along Big Star, or the VU, or Eno's solo records, or the Stooges, or all sorts of cult touchstones.

If my estimation is correct, the guy across the hall is around 45. He's a music fan, but far from obsessive--family, etc., not anything that would ever come up in conversation. He said that Nevermind was important to him when it came out (making him 20 at the time), but he'd never heard of Husker Du. That seven-year gap from 1984 to 1991, in view of his age, would be significant.

has anyone considered that saying the words "Hüsker Dü" was intimidating to people*, so they didn't buy the records? i had to find Zen Arcade at the library -- and obviously i am eternally grateful to the person who put it there -- but walking up to a record store clerk and asking for Hüsker Dü? nah. Also I think people confused them with a metal band bc Metal Circus + they sounded like a metal band name.

I always thought their name was a clever gatekeeper. Once you get past it. you are rewarded over and over and over. Getting past it isn't for the weak though!
Bob went on to name his next band Sugar, which is definitely more...wait for it...palatable. haha!

*ps I am a woman and I know exactly 1 other female genuine HD fan, my hs bff. (real = had/cherished albums, wasn't just a fan of a song or two or Sugar)

I think that's absolutely true about Metal Circus--first time I saw that title in print, I assumed they were a metal (or at least noisy industrial) band that wouldn't be of interest to me.

It is sort of metal, though!

RIP. Love this band and have been listening to them a lot.

A lot of people who like them still hesitate over how to pronounce it! Yesterday on the interstate car ride I had to restrain my pedantic side

And the umlauts, at that point in music culture, meant you were at least on the outskirts of metal

Clearly the band clicked with me, but I wonder if it really does boil down at least in part to a childhood affinity for the Husker Du memory game that my family and I played.

Yeah it was an instant recognition for me too, we had that game since I was a toddler

This is the one I still have:
https://vinylthriftchaser.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/il_fullxfull-99292466.jpg

My mom keeps everything but I don't think she kept the board games :(

We had that game too. In the Twin Cities, people le drilled through the playing pieces and wore them on necklaces to show the likeminded they were in the Hüsker Dü fandom (the game itself is Hūsker Dū).

the name creates a strong insider/outsider dynamic -- which is good for the insiders but not exactly inviting to outsiders
huge reward for those who make the leap though!!

There's some novel--haven't read it; maybe someone knows the title--where, in a terse, noirish style, the detective-narrator says something like "She asked if I had any Husker Du. She pronounced it 'Hŭsker.' I let it pass."

Is it "hoosker" with "oo" like "hood"? Iirc, that's how Kim Gordon sang it on "Screaming Skull". I sort of figure that no one except maybe Frederik is pronouncing it like the Danish anyway so don't stress about it too much.

(Just went from Metal Circus to '83 Iron Maiden, btw.)

I figure only a fraction of people who bought Copper Blue in large numbers worked backwards toward HD

hi!

It's Hoooooosker - they're named for the game, and that's how the v/o guy pronounced it in the game commercial, and how the band members said it. Grant was the only one of the three I actually knew, because we hung out at the record store I discovered downtown when I was 15. John Peel pronounced it the 'other' way, so most of Europe does too (except for the Scandinavians).

It is sort of metal, though!

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:29 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's funny, in relistening to Husker Du over the last few days, I'm reminded of why I could never get into most metal, and how Grant Hart is the reason. He had this loose, swinging, but still ahead-of-the-beat-rampaging quality to his playing (he is among *maybe* the 3 or 4 other drummers ever who really internalized Keith Moon's innovations) that I love, whereas so many speed- and thrash-metal drummers were all about precision. I never understood that...it struck me as a really conservative and predictable approach. I can't think of hardly any post-Husker Du drummers who even attempted to swing the way Grant did.

It's pronounced like Big Hoos the OTMarker