RIP Grant Hart

Thanks. For obvious reasons I wish there were a lot more of them out there.

do you have an archive transcripts?

I've been bitching about this forever but can we briefly discuss how fucking insane "New Day Rising" would have been if you swapped out "How to Skin a Cat" & "Whatcha Drinkin" for "2541"?

Was 2541 written at that point? That's nuts!

I like Robert Forster's version too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_uiLSk6lLE

yeah josh that interview is great

Was 2541 written at that point? That's nuts!

― Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:28 (one minute ago) Permalink

It was written for the record, they practiced it, Bob didn't like it.

stevie, read the bit at the bottom of this page:

http://www.thirdav.com/hd_images/msp_sites/2541_house.html

Grant always kind of down played it but I think there is a reason that it was his first solo single

Really gutted about this. RIP Grant

do you have an archive transcripts?

I must - and the cassette, too - but tbh my editor at the time (who is now at NPR) was so cool I'm sure it was published more or less verbatim, even if I half remember a couple of other stories that may or may not have been from this interview.

About to drive from NYC to Bethesda with friends
There are things it will be obligatory to play on this drive, idgaf

Also - things I didn't know about grant until yesterday:

He has a kid?
Fake Name Graphics was grant?

Also - is there audio of that show w the little johnny jewel encore? Or even just the encore?

I've read that he has two kids, both adults now I think.

xpost OK, found the original transcript, and I was totally right, there is a big hunk where he goes off the record. Talks a bit about Bob, the immediate aftermath of the band's breakup, and, tangentially, the Replacements. Angry and interesting and maybe not totally surprising, yet ... off the record, so don't know what to do with it.

Let's all grab a beer and discuss it.

Post it on 77

Eh forget I said that

I've been struggling with how to write about Hart's queerness, of which I've seen little but passing mentions.

I honestly didn't even know he had kids or a family.

Alfred, this guy tried awhile ago, re Grant and Bob

http://dentalhospital.tumblr.com/post/123117605615/bob-and-grant

I've been bitching about this forever but can we briefly discuss how fucking insane "New Day Rising" would have been if you swapped out "How to Skin a Cat" & "Whatcha Drinkin" for "2541"?

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, September 15, 2017 10:23 AM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark

totally completely fucking insane!!!
omg

yeah it's kind of infuriating in retrospect, it's one thing if it were left off this perfect record but to leave it off in favor of two obvious throwaways is pretty shitty

Now That You Know Me, is this the only Grant solo track that was (if I'm remembering right, I think I have a copy of it somewhere) demoed or played with Husker Du?

xpost
I mean I don't know if it was those two songs specifically but if I wrote "2541" and was told it wasn't good enough and those two songs stayed...I don't know if I would have been in the band for two more yrs.

I read that Bob's (stated) reason was it sounded like a contemporary Dream Syndicate song? (mighta been from his book)

I honestly didn't even know he had kids or a family.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 15, 2017 12:06 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wasn't this a partial catalyst in the breakup of the band? his kid was conceived around this time, right?

or at least, it happened close to when they broke up

xp yes, Bob claims in his book he said to Grant "hey uhhh.... eh it kinda sounds like the Dream Syndicate single now, maybe we shouldn't." and then suggests that was "the beginning of the end." obviously take a salt shaker w that

Is he thinking about "Tell Me When It's Over?" Because I hear that, if only very loosely.

well sounds like he meant it planted a seed of discontent xp

xp I doubt it, that's from '82

There's a version of Now That You Know Me played here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJr6GIyUi80

I read that Bob's (stated) reason was it sounded like a contemporary Dream Syndicate song? (mighta been from his book)

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 15, 2017 11:40 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i love this reason of Bob's, don't want to sound like this iconic song no one can seem to remember the name of by global mega stars Dream Syndicate that dominated the airwaves and MTV in the fall of 84!!

well, he wasn't a soothsayer :)

at some point yesterday after the fog of sadness lifted, I though 'Grant has a wife?!".

great jon wurster appreciation: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/drummer-jon-wurster-on-grant-hart-the-center-of-a-hurricane-w503420

I have been playing through all of the Husker Du albums, something I don't think I've ever actually done before; as a kid, I got very hung up on Zen Arcade, particularly "Hare Krishna" and "Reoccurring Dreams", and isolated a good amount of my Husker appreciation to that album and specifically those two pieces of music.

I'm still not a gigantic fan of hardcore vocals but these guys are continuously playing their asses off to a degree I certainly didn't appreciate as a kid. Also, "Diane" is a sledgehammer of a song; I almost got hung up on repeating that but I really want to go through the whole catalog before circling back on obsession points.

I am finding that I like this band even more than I thought I did, which makes me sadder about Grant's passing and that I didn't appreciate what he and his bandmates had done more while he was alive.

RIP

particularly "Hare Krishna" and "Reoccurring Dreams", and isolated a good amount of my Husker appreciation to that album and specifically those two pieces of music.

I always wished they'd done more things along the lines of "Reoccurring Dreams." Given how incredible it is (particularly the live versions), it's sad and kind of bewildering that they never went back to that well.

They did a mean helter skelter live which is a kind of similar thing - basically a vehicle for weird jazz rock improv noise. There was version on the 'don't wanna know if you are lonely' 12"

I feel like reoccurring dreams and the last two songs on flip your wig might have been somewhat influenced by Greg norton's king crimson love? They feel like punk rock manifestations of like Red, Fracture, Sheltering Sky...

he's from Serbia and said Grant played Serbia in 1994

Coincidentally came across what might be a recording of those shows the other day (link says 1995) -- from the soundboard, great quality.

http://ivemadeyouatape.blogspot.com/2011/03/grant-hart-live-kst-beograd-1718111995.html

Hare Krishna is a personal fave, just a huge mountain of sound collapsing around you

Marshall Crenshaw did a really nice cover of "Twenty-Five Forty-One" (starts around 3:30). You'd have to go some to do a bad one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWs4nnLKAr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi6Z8BHiH1g

......

I feel like reoccurring dreams and the last two songs on flip your wig might have been somewhat influenced by Greg norton's king crimson love? They feel like punk rock manifestations of like Red, Fracture, Sheltering Sky...

― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, September 15, 2017 3:17 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"How To Skin A Cat" and "The Wit & The Wisdom" have long sounded to me like MX-80 Sound originals, but I can certainly hear KC, now that you mention it.

RIP

Another vote for where can we hear that version of "Little Johnny Jewel." Or is it in that same place in the Twin City Ether that "Wally" is? /Asking for a friend

There's a version of Now That You Know Me played here:

its on that posthumous The LIving End live LP, too

So it is! I never really listened to that live album, maybe I should. I recall at the time it sounded pretty bad, especially compared to all the other boots I had from previous tours.

I moved back to teaching grade 3 the past couple of years, and I'm glad I made the move, but I really wanted to be back in grade 6 this week. I would have spent a half-hour talking about Grant Hart and showing YouTube clips--talked about Husker Du's importance to me, but mostly tried to place them in the context of 1984, alongside some names they knew at least a little bit about (Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince). One thing I really liked yesterday was when the guy across the hall, who I'd estimate is 10 years younger than me, said that news about Grant Hart showed up on his Facebook wall. I said that mine had been wall-to-wall; just a single post on his--he'd never heard of Husker Du till I mentioned Hart's death the previous day. These things resonate more with me nowadays when I move outside the bubble where Husker Du are as much a fact of life as the Beatles. I love that, even though the biggest part of my social world was immersed, there's this whole other part who have still never heard of Husker Du, and for a few of them that would change now.

A clearer explanation of some of that, down towards the bottom (I wrote this about 15 years ago, and don't want to repeat it all).