(now I really want an actual historian to collate the "should this composer be opposing the Tories???" pamphlet crud from the 1770s, I know it's out there)
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:53 (eight years ago)
"Trump is not the first famous entertainer to reach high office
indeed he is not
I searched "the ringer taylor swift" and holy shit they have like 10 million Taylor Swift articles
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:11 (eight years ago)
When I heard they killed off the old Taylor Swift, I was hoping they'd take diversity into account when casting the new version
― President Keyes, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)
Netflix Announces Gritty Reboot of Taylor Swift
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)
I didn't really interpret
it is troubling when we begin to take pop stars especially seriously, not because they have demonstrated knowledge or competence but simply because they command massive audiences
as meaning that no one did this before 2017. That said, the part of the Ringer piece that I mostly agreed with was "wgaf about Taylor Swift's political positions?"
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:31 (eight years ago)
TSJ weighs in
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, September 1, 2017 8:33 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
for a brief moment, I thought the Taylor Swift Journal existed
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 1 September 2017 18:25 (eight years ago)
with 33 blurbs, that's basically what it is!
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 1 September 2017 18:44 (eight years ago)
It's true that none of these developments are "new" but it does feel like music criticism as a series of wokeness-assessments is having a 2016-2017 moment. And I do think that this is as much or more about writers establishing their own bona fides, which is maybe kind of why it's so irresistible: if you know that whatever you write about Taylor (or whoever) is gonna be assessed on political or cultural grounds first and foremost, it's very hard to not end up predominantly speaking to that question given the reader-response judgments are gonna be much more dramatic than just "well I like that song rather more than the writer does".
― Tim F, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:31 (eight years ago)
I'm pretty sure Treeship said this somewhere on ILX in the last couple months: "politics is the new taste." people define themselves and judge others based on their opinions and hot takes instead of what bands they like or what patches they have on their jacket
― flappy bird, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:33 (eight years ago)
its a natural result of the internet rendering consumable goods immaterial now what matters is not what you consume but your motivation/skill at consuming "correctly"
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:37 (eight years ago)
Yes. Partly a consequence of music-selection based tribalism falling apart in the social media age.
There are aspects of this I don't mind.
Yesterday our office got a speaker to play music on, and the immediate narrative that developed was that I would be quietly judging people for their taste. My defence was "I won't judge what you like, but I will judge your reasons for liking something." And then it occurred to me how much of a 2017 thing that was to say.
― Tim F, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:37 (eight years ago)
I was saying that in 1997!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:39 (eight years ago)
James Murphy should've written a song about me.
He was there...in Florida?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)
Haha no I've been saying it for years - what struck me was that it now seemed like a very normal thing to say rather than expressing some distinction from the norm.
― Tim F, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)
I will also judge men's hair and the intentions behind a style.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:48 (eight years ago)
sorry, ahistoric "THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED"ness is possibly my biggest pet peeve so the past year or two of commentary has been fun
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:52 (eight years ago)
Haha
― Tim F, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)
hey katherine
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/05/donald-glover-pop-culture-streak-is-unprecedented
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:32 (eight years ago)
Man, Atlanta was so good.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:53 (eight years ago)
AdamVania (Adam Bruneau) at 2:37 1 Sep 17its a natural result of the internet rendering consumable goods immaterial now what matters is not what you consume but your motivation/skill at consuming "correctly"is this a reference to your posts on the Daily Show thread?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 September 2017 21:01 (eight years ago)
yeah whiney otm
― k3vin k., Friday, 1 September 2017 22:44 (eight years ago)
I had missed that was Todrick Hall in the video, and he had things to say.
https://www.yahoo.com/music/todrick-hall-speaks-taylor-swift-video-backlash-134742334.html
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 September 2017 13:16 (eight years ago)
its easier to align oneself with a political "side" than it is to describe music in a cogent way. that said i feel like if things keep progressing the way they are here in the states you're going to see the wokeness quotient plummet at a lot of outlets that need money and don't want to offend advertisers. (the widespread "pivot to video" trend is a harbinger of this - obviously a lot of these clanging pieces are very high onchest beating and low on facts, but turning them into videos will only make that ratio worse)
― maura, Saturday, 2 September 2017 13:40 (eight years ago)
this, while not great in its conclusions (the piece doesn't quite separate itself from the Mic position that "social justice" topics are synonymous with clickbait, which... would seem to be the entire reason you'd write such a thing, besides the real reason i.e. inter-media feuds) is a pretty good case study
https://theoutline.com/post/2156/mic-com-and-the-cynicism-of-modern-media
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Saturday, 2 September 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)
I'm taking comfort in the possibility that people are going to move on from these opinions4u so hard the second she releases a googly-eyed love song
― crüt, Saturday, 2 September 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)
It's kinda funny I ran across my vinyl of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain and was thinking how crazy Pitchfork, CoS, Noisey et al would have gone about Range Life considering all the digital ink spilled over this or Arcade Fire acting like ding dongs imagine the thinking pieces
"Nature Kids DO Have a Function: Pavement's Problematic Anti Ecological Politics"
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 2 September 2017 22:56 (eight years ago)
CRCR debuted in the bottom half of the billboard 200 albums chart and to this date has not even gone gold
in 1994 no clickbait economy would have wasted bandwidth on a pavement headline with everything else that was going on imo
if they could spare whitespace not already devoted to coverage of social media responses to kurt cobain's suicide there might be a graf or two about whether or not beck was guilty of cultural appropriation for doing a tropicalia album or making "where it's at"
― james brooks, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:02 (eight years ago)
have you seen how much these outlets cover, for example, the various scandals involving Mark Kozelik's behavior, if Pitchfork existed then they would cover Pavement like crazy
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:06 (eight years ago)
plus they were dissing 2 of the biggest bands in the world, i think it's safe to say it would be covered on indie sites
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:08 (eight years ago)
kozelek went after a writer directly, different situation
― james brooks, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:16 (eight years ago)
Imagining the 2017 Jack Black High Fidelity character judging each customer on their wokeness level[/].
― Eazy, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:34 (eight years ago)
http://z100.iheart.com/featured/fresh-pick-mondays/content/2017-09-02-listen-to-a-clip-of-taylor-swifts-new-song-ready-for-it/
― maura, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:35 (eight years ago)
And then D4rcie W1lder makes a disgusting, moronic tweet and then Noisey et al report on it like it's news.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, September 1, 2017 10:05 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what does this mean?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 1, 2017 11:42 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
speculation that TS picked her release date because it's the 10th anniversary of donda west's death
― maura, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:36 (eight years ago)
Imagining the 2017 Jack Black High Fidelity character judging each customer on their wokeness level[
lmao ok holy shit, this is an incredible image
― flappy bird, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:36 (eight years ago)
haha ugh
― maura, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:38 (eight years ago)
"Do you even know your daughter? There's no way she likes a band of white cishet males"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:52 (eight years ago)
looooll
― Tim F, Sunday, 3 September 2017 02:15 (eight years ago)
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, September 2, 2017 6:56 PM (four hours ago)
lol matt i love you
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 September 2017 03:02 (eight years ago)
Song number two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62maKYX9tU
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 September 2017 12:34 (eight years ago)
This new Taylor single flew from dubstep to trap to trop house in like a minute and I'm dizzy and drained.— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) September 3, 2017
She had Max Martin and Shellback airlift this campaign out the trenches huh— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) September 3, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 September 2017 12:45 (eight years ago)
much, much better than single 1, but still horrible dead-eyed trash precision-engineered by committee to get the most replays, obv ;)
― imago, Sunday, 3 September 2017 12:59 (eight years ago)
it's a shame the taylor who could write hooks died
― ufo, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:17 (eight years ago)
During the tour for this album is she going to do the Mr. Rogers thing where she calls the audience her "friends," lies about recognizing them from Instagram, and brings celebrities onstage so the crowd can meet her other "friends"? Because this is what I witnessed when I was taken to a show on the 1989 tour and it was sort of sweet -- it was clear to me her youngest fans loved it and I was happy for them -- but also creepy. I'm sure there are people out there who have a phobia of Taylor Swift.
― Treeship, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:30 (eight years ago)
There were also video segments where Lena Dunham and Selena Gomez talked about baking cookies at Taylor Swift's apartment. It was like they were trying to convince me she was a normal human being, something I never would have questioned before attending the concert.
― Treeship, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)
I had to explain to my kids the notion of a curated Instagram account.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:41 (eight years ago)
I'm now under the impression this whole thing is her Chris Gaines album.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:43 (eight years ago)
Despite it all though, the songs on 1989 are amazing. I really hope the new songs don't portend some moodier, more "2017" sound.
― Treeship, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:44 (eight years ago)
No joke, even my 10-year old girl has been complaining about Taylor Swift going all "dark" and "goth."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:47 (eight years ago)
I mean, I will have to see the finished product. She might have a vision. But it seems kind of forced right now.
― Treeship, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:52 (eight years ago)