Taylor Swift Glitchy Snake Gifs thread 2017 - Reputation

the Ringer piece makes the same mistake all such pieces do: assumes that fixation on celebrities and public figures in the political realm is a unique facet of 2017

...you mean history didn't start two seconds ago?

otoh Fifteen seems to be about how sex as a youth is a regrettable mistake (And Abigail gave everything she had / To a boy who changed his mind / And we both cried) which isn't necessarily conservative but doesn't entirely fit progressive sexual mores.

Shocker that adolescents continue to attach too much importance to their virginity and are a mess about love and romance.

it doesn't "seem to be," it completely is and the fact that this was ever a fact in question is mind-boggling

In the "Taylor is a liberal" evidence column you could add that many of her early songs are about getting the hell out of a small town and moving to a big city

katherine, the difference is that fan-fiction was the purview of teenagers and perverts and now it's done by pundits that make six figures a year

this entire rollout has made music writing read like fucking TV recaps, where everyone's concerns are "how does this fit into the narrative" and "is this woke enough."

And the poptimism flip-flop on Swift probably says less about her as a pop auteur and more about how desperate/scared culture writers are to appear like they fit in to the online discourse of the moment.

Twitter has made everyone lose their fucking minds. Like what type of parasitic holes has Slate wokeness burned in your brain when you hear Taylor Swift pumping herself up with hip-hop dis track bravado on a single and go "wow ... white victim narrative much" instead of "hey, a pop star made a video version of the 'control verse' ... neat"

And then D4rcie W1lder makes a disgusting, moronic tweet and then Noisey et al report on it like it's news.

howdy. im the sheriff of tone. im gon police u tone.

music used to be an autonomous art, man

TSJ weighs in

And then D4rcie W1lder makes a disgusting, moronic tweet and then Noisey et al report on it like it's news.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, September 1, 2017 10:05 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what does this mean?

the difference is that, much as last year millions of people became convinced nasty campaigns were invented in 2016, the Ringer piece claims 2017 invented "beginning to take pop stars especially seriously," with a couple lazy equivocations like "Trump is not the first famous entertainer to reach high office" and "Running and holding office has always been its own genre of theatrics" that suggest that deep down the writer knew it was bullshit. if ringer dude's sick of taylor swift politics takes he should just say that and leave it there instead of making it a symptom of our era that everyone's gonna nod along with because they, too, are sick of taylor swift takes and of our era

this also applies to music -- godwin said it was ok, so for every bit of "why isn't Taylor Swift speaking out against Neo-Nazis" discourse there's a contemporous bit, then several decades more, of, say, "why is Richard Strauss collaborating with actual Nazis." (not to #slatepitch, obviously the sole reason the VMAs opened with the one Strauss clip everyone knows was because of 2001: A Space Odyssey, but it was still pretty... "funny" isn't the right word, that the walkup music for Katy Perry's Woke Commentary was something by the head of the State Music Bureau)

(now I really want an actual historian to collate the "should this composer be opposing the Tories???" pamphlet crud from the 1770s, I know it's out there)

"Trump is not the first famous entertainer to reach high office

indeed he is not

I searched "the ringer taylor swift" and holy shit they have like 10 million Taylor Swift articles

When I heard they killed off the old Taylor Swift, I was hoping they'd take diversity into account when casting the new version

Netflix Announces Gritty Reboot of Taylor Swift

I didn't really interpret

it is troubling when we begin to take pop stars especially seriously, not because they have demonstrated knowledge or competence but simply because they command massive audiences

as meaning that no one did this before 2017. That said, the part of the Ringer piece that I mostly agreed with was "wgaf about Taylor Swift's political positions?"

TSJ weighs in

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, September 1, 2017 8:33 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for a brief moment, I thought the Taylor Swift Journal existed

with 33 blurbs, that's basically what it is!

It's true that none of these developments are "new" but it does feel like music criticism as a series of wokeness-assessments is having a 2016-2017 moment. And I do think that this is as much or more about writers establishing their own bona fides, which is maybe kind of why it's so irresistible: if you know that whatever you write about Taylor (or whoever) is gonna be assessed on political or cultural grounds first and foremost, it's very hard to not end up predominantly speaking to that question given the reader-response judgments are gonna be much more dramatic than just "well I like that song rather more than the writer does".

I'm pretty sure Treeship said this somewhere on ILX in the last couple months: "politics is the new taste." people define themselves and judge others based on their opinions and hot takes instead of what bands they like or what patches they have on their jacket

its a natural result of the internet rendering consumable goods immaterial now what matters is not what you consume but your motivation/skill at consuming "correctly"

Yes. Partly a consequence of music-selection based tribalism falling apart in the social media age.

There are aspects of this I don't mind.

Yesterday our office got a speaker to play music on, and the immediate narrative that developed was that I would be quietly judging people for their taste. My defence was "I won't judge what you like, but I will judge your reasons for liking something." And then it occurred to me how much of a 2017 thing that was to say.

I was saying that in 1997!

James Murphy should've written a song about me.

He was there...in Florida?

Haha no I've been saying it for years - what struck me was that it now seemed like a very normal thing to say rather than expressing some distinction from the norm.

I will also judge men's hair and the intentions behind a style.

sorry, ahistoric "THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED"ness is possibly my biggest pet peeve so the past year or two of commentary has been fun

Haha

hey katherine

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/05/donald-glover-pop-culture-streak-is-unprecedented

Man, Atlanta was so good.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau) at 2:37 1 Sep 17

its a natural result of the internet rendering consumable goods immaterial now what matters is not what you consume but your motivation/skill at consuming "correctly"

is this a reference to your posts on the Daily Show thread?

yeah whiney otm

I had missed that was Todrick Hall in the video, and he had things to say.

https://www.yahoo.com/music/todrick-hall-speaks-taylor-swift-video-backlash-134742334.html

its easier to align oneself with a political "side" than it is to describe music in a cogent way. that said i feel like if things keep progressing the way they are here in the states you're going to see the wokeness quotient plummet at a lot of outlets that need money and don't want to offend advertisers. (the widespread "pivot to video" trend is a harbinger of this - obviously a lot of these clanging pieces are very high on
chest beating and low on facts, but turning them into videos will only make that ratio worse)

this, while not great in its conclusions (the piece doesn't quite separate itself from the Mic position that "social justice" topics are synonymous with clickbait, which... would seem to be the entire reason you'd write such a thing, besides the real reason i.e. inter-media feuds) is a pretty good case study

https://theoutline.com/post/2156/mic-com-and-the-cynicism-of-modern-media

I'm taking comfort in the possibility that people are going to move on from these opinions4u so hard the second she releases a googly-eyed love song

It's kinda funny I ran across my vinyl of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain and was thinking how crazy Pitchfork, CoS, Noisey et al would have gone about Range Life considering all the digital ink spilled over this or Arcade Fire acting like ding dongs imagine the thinking pieces

"Nature Kids DO Have a Function: Pavement's Problematic Anti Ecological Politics"

CRCR debuted in the bottom half of the billboard 200 albums chart and to this date has not even gone gold

in 1994 no clickbait economy would have wasted bandwidth on a pavement headline with everything else that was going on imo

if they could spare whitespace not already devoted to coverage of social media responses to kurt cobain's suicide there might be a graf or two about whether or not beck was guilty of cultural appropriation for doing a tropicalia album or making "where it's at"

have you seen how much these outlets cover, for example, the various scandals involving Mark Kozelik's behavior, if Pitchfork existed then they would cover Pavement like crazy

plus they were dissing 2 of the biggest bands in the world, i think it's safe to say it would be covered on indie sites

kozelek went after a writer directly, different situation

Yes. Partly a consequence of music-selection based tribalism falling apart in the social media age.

There are aspects of this I don't mind.

Imagining the 2017 Jack Black High Fidelity character judging each customer on their wokeness level[/].

http://z100.iheart.com/featured/fresh-pick-mondays/content/2017-09-02-listen-to-a-clip-of-taylor-swifts-new-song-ready-for-it/

And then D4rcie W1lder makes a disgusting, moronic tweet and then Noisey et al report on it like it's news.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, September 1, 2017 10:05 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what does this mean?

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 1, 2017 11:42 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

speculation that TS picked her release date because it's the 10th anniversary of donda west's death