Taylor Swift Glitchy Snake Gifs thread 2017 - Reputation

Well, she's too young, but she did grow up pretty rich which would help (the avg Trump voter brings in over 70k iirc)

I think on most metrics (age bracket, locale, etc.) that would not be true.

because it's the reason why "but Kanye *actually* supported Trump!" is an argument so stupid it approaches bad faith

http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/37187/1/nazis-love-taylor-swifts-look-what-you-made-me-do

“It is also an established fact that Taylor Swift is secretly a Nazi and is simply waiting for the time when Donald Trump makes it safe for her to come out and announce her Aryan agenda to the world. Probably, she will be betrothed to Trump’s son, and they will be crowned American royalty.”

wow, can't argue with the facts i guess

Perhaps all arguments about Taylor vs Kanye as being about Trump are bad faith.

If people want to talk about Trump, they should talk about Trump.

People who write about how Taylor should disavow Trump etc. are just compensating for not being able to write persuasively about whether single payer is a good idea or not or what the historical precedents for presidential pardons can tell us. Falling back onto pop culture as a metaphor is almost always a disservice to pop and to politics.

Sorry, I'm drunk, but I probably still mean the above.

her music video has her in a bathtub full of diamonds (which is pretty rad for hyper-capitalist iconography). pushing materialism/consumerism/self-destructive tendencies has always been a major part of pop life.

this image really struck me. you're absolutely right, but at this moment in time, the culture is not sympathetic to this sort of self-referential obnoxious flaunting of wealth, mostly because that's Trump's M.O. so along with the "media treats me unfairly" angle, Swift already has two things in common with Trump.

lol i love how when taylor approximates a Pen & Pixel CD cover from like 1998 it's interpreted as all #galaxybrain

but i admire the lengths being taken on ITT thread to avoid having to talk about this new jersey sized turd she just left in the punchbowl. also as usual fgti posts are great.

to be fair the "taylor swift is the official pop star of the alt-right" take that's been going around is also wrong and in bad faith -- they tried this exact same shit on depeche mode

She really is more comparable to Ivanka.

I'm still not understanding why Swift is responsible for the things she doesn't do but Kanye isn't even responsible for the things he does do.

Because she didn't not do enough!

Perhaps all arguments about Taylor vs Kanye as being about Trump are bad faith.

If people want to talk about Trump, they should talk about Trump.

People who write about how Taylor should disavow Trump etc. are just compensating for not being able to write persuasively about whether single payer is a good idea or not or what the historical precedents for presidential pardons can tell us. Falling back onto pop culture as a metaphor is almost always a disservice to pop and to politics.

Sorry, I'm drunk, but I probably still mean the above.

― Tim F, Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:09 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is totally fair. i honestly don't even give a shit about how Kanye feels about Trump insofar as it has anything to do with how I feel about him as an artist. I only thought it was highly disingenuous to be lassoing Swift to Trump because...???...when he has demonstrated at least some legitimate real-world approval.

there's also the factor that Swift's relationship to her fans has historically been a lot more intimate and big-sisterly than Kanye's relationship to his fans

TS came up on Country radio in the years immediately following the scrubbing from history of the Dixie Chicks. I think that may inform the calculations she makes about political statements. Weighing the number of (CD buying) original fans to be lost vs. intangible social media props to be gained by coming out against Trump, etc.

Hey, Springsteen's participation in the last presidential campaign was kinda half-assed when compared to what he did for Obama and I don't see many people pointing at him saying he should have done more.

Hey, Springsteen's participation in the last presidential campaign was kinda half-assed when compared to what he did for Obama and I don't see many people pointing at him saying he should have done more.

― cpl593H, Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:34 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

http://i.imgur.com/q3Ny1py.jpg

lord that fuckin' GIF meme ugh

it is the best

luv that meme
h8 this song

mark me down as "hate both, will be attending the album release party"

https://s26.postimg.org/kk3kbw7nt/ulysses-swift.jpg

we're through the looking glass here people

apropos of nothing but one clever thing I will concede from the video is how "Red" turns into "Rep" if you flip the last letter

to be fair the "taylor swift is the official pop star of the alt-right" take that's been going around is also wrong and in bad faith -- they tried this exact same shit on depeche mode

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:32 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but at least Depeche Mode came right out and denounced the alt-right. Taylor will not.

depeche mode is also about 30 decades past the peak of their career

*years, god

Enjoy Proudgirl Taylor, then.

you're missing the point, which is that the "alt-right" is composed of internet trolls who attempted to astroturf a #notyourshield campaign around Depeche Mode and failed, and are now trying to do the same to Taylor Swift and evidently succeeding

got a real Peaches feeling from this single

Look What You Made Me Do (This Dildo) ^^

lmao Whiney's meme

because it's the reason why "but Kanye *actually* supported Trump!" is an argument so stupid it approaches bad faith

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:00 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw i made this argument in good faith: i'm just that stupid

https://www.theringer.com/pop-culture/2017/8/31/16234302/taylor-swift-donald-trump-problem

I don't know much (or care) about TS and all the stories, gossips and issues related (and I'm part of the people who only know "shake it off" from her previous work...) but I like the new single.
it's not great or anything but it's enjoyable as a end of summer/back to work track (except the speaking on the phone cringey part).

I just can't imagine Swift as a Trump supporter. She just took a sexual harassment case to court out of principle and to set an example, it's the exact opposite of "grab them by the pussy." Her sex-positive identity on her earlier stuff seems at odds with the antifeminist conservatism of the alt-right.

Anyway what would the actual consequence of Swift coming out to admonish Trump and his supporters? The risk of some lost sales, yes, but would it help her win new ones? Is there an audience who would say I thought I didn't like Taylor Swift but now she is a liberal I guess I will take her seriously? I think her actions say a lot about the person she is. Katy Perry is keen to tell us how "woke" she is but lets not forget that she started her career with "Ur So Gay" and "I Kissed A Girl."

That said, this ticket selling arrangmenet is horrific and this new song is dreadful in a way that goes beyond mediocrity, "losing everything about herself that was special" is OTM.

You mean sex-positive earlier stuff like "She's better known for the things that she does on the mattress"?

Is there an audience who would say I thought I didn't like Taylor Swift but now she is a liberal I guess I will take her seriously?

"Audience" as in CD/ticket buyers? Of course not? "Audience" as in mercenary hacks who will happily write 800 words on exactly that subject for Slate, Salon, The Atlantic, Jezebel, Teen Vogue, etc., etc.? ABSOLUTELY.

Yeah, I think this whole 'Trump voter' thing is kind of dumb, and I mostly agree with the Ringer piece, but it's interesting to me that at least two people have now described her earlier country work as "sex-positive". I don't even think a singer needs to be sex-positive per se but what examples of this are people thinking of? I think I'm fairly familiar with Fearless and Speak Now. xp

The one I always thought was notable was "there's a drawer of my things at your place" - the subtle inference of staying over and all that entails. Or "Wildest Dreams" which is basically about enjoying the thrill and sexuality of a moment without it having to go somewhere. But there's a definite falseness to the early media portrayal of her as this virginal chaste ingenue when actually a lot of her material is, while maybe not overtly sexual, doesn't shy away from ideas of intimacy or attraction.

(and of course that all changed because she dared to go on a few dates with a few different men and then she was a slut, because a woman can only be one of the other eh)

the Ringer piece makes the same mistake all such pieces do: assumes that fixation on celebrities and public figures in the political realm is a unique facet of 2017

...you mean history didn't start two seconds ago?

otoh Fifteen seems to be about how sex as a youth is a regrettable mistake (And Abigail gave everything she had / To a boy who changed his mind / And we both cried) which isn't necessarily conservative but doesn't entirely fit progressive sexual mores.

Shocker that adolescents continue to attach too much importance to their virginity and are a mess about love and romance.

it doesn't "seem to be," it completely is and the fact that this was ever a fact in question is mind-boggling

In the "Taylor is a liberal" evidence column you could add that many of her early songs are about getting the hell out of a small town and moving to a big city

katherine, the difference is that fan-fiction was the purview of teenagers and perverts and now it's done by pundits that make six figures a year

this entire rollout has made music writing read like fucking TV recaps, where everyone's concerns are "how does this fit into the narrative" and "is this woke enough."

And the poptimism flip-flop on Swift probably says less about her as a pop auteur and more about how desperate/scared culture writers are to appear like they fit in to the online discourse of the moment.

Twitter has made everyone lose their fucking minds. Like what type of parasitic holes has Slate wokeness burned in your brain when you hear Taylor Swift pumping herself up with hip-hop dis track bravado on a single and go "wow ... white victim narrative much" instead of "hey, a pop star made a video version of the 'control verse' ... neat"