Taylor Swift Glitchy Snake Gifs thread 2017 - Reputation

Of course Keith already had all these realisations already:

http://www.citypages.com/music/taylor-swift-would-very-much-like-to-exclude-us-from-her-narrative/442076423

that part of the video is just a cheap shot at katy perry https://youtu.be/XjwZAa2EjKA?t=2m58s

Brad I also liked how the car crash motif is an inverted callback to "Red". Rather than being crashed by Jack Gyllenhaal she's just deliberately crashing herself. There's nobody else in the car - maybe there never was!

Xpost eh I think car crashes are too common a motif (including for taylor, per my post above) for that link to be persuasive.

yes, but the specific filming of it, plus the context of everything else about this single, makes it more likely than a ~~~super-deep~~~ callback to "Red"

(for his part, Joseph Kahn's suggested the video is a take on 2NE1's "Come Back Home")

Haha apparently we are both correct:

http://www.citypages.com/music/taylor-swift-would-very-much-like-to-exclude-us-from-her-narrative/442076423

Wait that is the Keith review (which people should read). I meant a different piece.

There we go:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/28/each-and-every-single-dig-that-taylor-swift-makes-in-the-look-what-you-made-me-do-music-video-6883910/

I think the 2NE1 thing is just a callback to being accused of ripping that video off for the "Bad Blood" video?

that part of the video is just a cheap shot at katy perry https://youtu.be/XjwZAa2EjKA?t=2m58s

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:54 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ehhh ok

It strongly resembles (an even more cutting, self-abnegating take on) Kylie Minogue's video clip for "Did It Again", which similarly came out at a time when Kylie appeared to be disdainful of aspects of her earlier public persona(s).

As soon as she saw it, my girlfriend Kate made that comparison too. (She is a massive Kylie fan...and was not pleased with Taylor's attempt.)

the whole killing-off-the-old-you stuff was as far as i can recall first seen in the Freedom '90 video by George Michael, can anyone remember any earlier examples? anyway Taylor's graveyard version of same reminds me of Geri Halliwell's debut solo single Look At Me

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/31mlEEs9_Vk/hqdefault.jpg

Ziggy Stardust?

Xxpost Taylor's take is nastier (to herself) because even Kylie made sure that her caricatures of herself never seemed that reality-based. It's easy to reject a broadly drawn caricature.

Whereas the "shocked I just won an eleventh award" Taylor is so close to reality that by satirising it Taylor and/or the clip-makers can't help but make past-Taylor look ridiculous in fact.

This was one aspect (amongst several) of Keith's piece I thought was really smart: he captures how the clip is so focused on getting out in front of any possible criticism you might have of Taylor, that it creates this contradiction - on the one hand, it basically succeeds at pre-empting (lol autocorrect prefers "pre-emptying") any criticism, while on the other, investing so much energy and money into saying "you can't say anything to me that is nastier than what I have already said to myself" can't help but feel like a defensive strategem.

I would happily watch an entire video of past/present TS personas bickering with each other, love the part where Taylor Mk. 1 bursts into tears and is roundly ridiculed.

xp oh yes! hadn't thought of that.

citation needed

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:32 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://decisiondeskhq.com/data-dives/how-the-2016-vote-broke-down-by-race-gender-and-age/

(not that it's meaningful anyway because Taylor Swift's fanbase is not a 100% overlapping venn diagram with "white women 18-29," but)

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the characterization I was responding to was of Swift as "pop-star exemplar of the white female Trump supporter". so it's a characterization of her, not her fans. Taylor Swift is an 18-29 white woman. I thought I was being pretty clear there.

that comparison has to be about the fans though or else it is completely useless. the reason Kanye talking about Donald Trump is not really relevant is because -- well, because he's Kanye and this is just the kind of thing he does, but also because I would hazard not many of his fans voted for Trump

You can't use statistics on one person... Taylor Swift didn't vote 52% for Hillary.

her head voted Hillary, but her heart went Trump

why does Taylor as "pop-star exemplar of the white female Trump supporter" have to be about her fans?

i know parsing this one phrase is a waste of time but I guess it depends on how you read the statement...I read it as "Taylor Swift is a typical example of the white female Trump supporter" which is, at least demographically speaking, wrong.

Well, she's too young, but she did grow up pretty rich which would help (the avg Trump voter brings in over 70k iirc)

I think on most metrics (age bracket, locale, etc.) that would not be true.

because it's the reason why "but Kanye *actually* supported Trump!" is an argument so stupid it approaches bad faith

http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/37187/1/nazis-love-taylor-swifts-look-what-you-made-me-do

“It is also an established fact that Taylor Swift is secretly a Nazi and is simply waiting for the time when Donald Trump makes it safe for her to come out and announce her Aryan agenda to the world. Probably, she will be betrothed to Trump’s son, and they will be crowned American royalty.”

wow, can't argue with the facts i guess

Perhaps all arguments about Taylor vs Kanye as being about Trump are bad faith.

If people want to talk about Trump, they should talk about Trump.

People who write about how Taylor should disavow Trump etc. are just compensating for not being able to write persuasively about whether single payer is a good idea or not or what the historical precedents for presidential pardons can tell us. Falling back onto pop culture as a metaphor is almost always a disservice to pop and to politics.

Sorry, I'm drunk, but I probably still mean the above.

her music video has her in a bathtub full of diamonds (which is pretty rad for hyper-capitalist iconography). pushing materialism/consumerism/self-destructive tendencies has always been a major part of pop life.

this image really struck me. you're absolutely right, but at this moment in time, the culture is not sympathetic to this sort of self-referential obnoxious flaunting of wealth, mostly because that's Trump's M.O. so along with the "media treats me unfairly" angle, Swift already has two things in common with Trump.

lol i love how when taylor approximates a Pen & Pixel CD cover from like 1998 it's interpreted as all #galaxybrain

but i admire the lengths being taken on ITT thread to avoid having to talk about this new jersey sized turd she just left in the punchbowl. also as usual fgti posts are great.

to be fair the "taylor swift is the official pop star of the alt-right" take that's been going around is also wrong and in bad faith -- they tried this exact same shit on depeche mode

She really is more comparable to Ivanka.

I'm still not understanding why Swift is responsible for the things she doesn't do but Kanye isn't even responsible for the things he does do.

Because she didn't not do enough!

Perhaps all arguments about Taylor vs Kanye as being about Trump are bad faith.

If people want to talk about Trump, they should talk about Trump.

People who write about how Taylor should disavow Trump etc. are just compensating for not being able to write persuasively about whether single payer is a good idea or not or what the historical precedents for presidential pardons can tell us. Falling back onto pop culture as a metaphor is almost always a disservice to pop and to politics.

Sorry, I'm drunk, but I probably still mean the above.

― Tim F, Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:09 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is totally fair. i honestly don't even give a shit about how Kanye feels about Trump insofar as it has anything to do with how I feel about him as an artist. I only thought it was highly disingenuous to be lassoing Swift to Trump because...???...when he has demonstrated at least some legitimate real-world approval.

there's also the factor that Swift's relationship to her fans has historically been a lot more intimate and big-sisterly than Kanye's relationship to his fans

TS came up on Country radio in the years immediately following the scrubbing from history of the Dixie Chicks. I think that may inform the calculations she makes about political statements. Weighing the number of (CD buying) original fans to be lost vs. intangible social media props to be gained by coming out against Trump, etc.

Hey, Springsteen's participation in the last presidential campaign was kinda half-assed when compared to what he did for Obama and I don't see many people pointing at him saying he should have done more.

Hey, Springsteen's participation in the last presidential campaign was kinda half-assed when compared to what he did for Obama and I don't see many people pointing at him saying he should have done more.

― cpl593H, Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:34 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

http://i.imgur.com/q3Ny1py.jpg

lord that fuckin' GIF meme ugh

it is the best

luv that meme
h8 this song

mark me down as "hate both, will be attending the album release party"

https://s26.postimg.org/kk3kbw7nt/ulysses-swift.jpg

we're through the looking glass here people

apropos of nothing but one clever thing I will concede from the video is how "Red" turns into "Rep" if you flip the last letter

to be fair the "taylor swift is the official pop star of the alt-right" take that's been going around is also wrong and in bad faith -- they tried this exact same shit on depeche mode

― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:32 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but at least Depeche Mode came right out and denounced the alt-right. Taylor will not.

depeche mode is also about 30 decades past the peak of their career

*years, god