xp self inflicted icee brain freeze boosts your progress bar
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 21:26 (eight years ago)
I'm not signing up all the way to see if paying more $$ means more of a chance at tickets, as much as it would be hilarious to be conned into buying an album to see if I get more Taylor points for buying two albums, or one album with insanely high shipping.
I get why these stupid presale things try to link to actual album-buyers after having been to a few shows where I attempted to do the fan presale thing, only to later realize the bulk resellers were also "fans" and they'd bought up all the good seats.
The scammiest part is that the album-to-ticket linking is being done by the Ticketmasters and Live Nations of the world, which, in the former case, now directly lets you resell tickets. They're really having fun targeting all the market segments.
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)
the priority shipping is an optional thing, correct? it may be price gouging but i dont see any problem w an artist offering new products towards hi end customers.
an absurd shipping cost is not a premium feature, it's just gouging fans. you don't get anything extra. as someone said upthread, people get things the day of with fucking media mail. it doesn't have to be that expensive, especially if you get nothing extra.
her music video has her in a bathtub full of diamonds (which is pretty rad for hyper-capitalist iconography). pushing materialism/consumerism/self-destructive tendencies has always been a major part of pop life.
this image really struck me. you're absolutely right, but at this moment in time, the culture is not sympathetic to this sort of self-referential obnoxious flaunting of wealth, mostly because that's Trump's M.O. so along with the "media treats me unfairly" angle, Swift already has two things in common with Trump.
how is this any different from cell phone games, marketing pointless status symbols to "whales"? or any business that offers a premium option to customers?
lol ok first of all wtf does 'whales' mean. cell phones are not primarily status symbols. cell phone games are just another product, and yeah i think in-game purchases are egregious gouging
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:28 (eight years ago)
https://kotaku.com/who-are-the-whales-driving-free-to-play-gaming-youd-1197333118
You clearly haven't played enough Marvel Puzzle Quest, flappy ;)
― Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)
if I could buy Taylor Swift albums to get MPQ points... hmm
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:44 (eight years ago)
What CoS are we talking about? Anyone got a link?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:50 (eight years ago)
https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/08/taylor-swift-and-ticketmaster-launch-controversial-ticketing-system/
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:51 (eight years ago)
Heh mh, I'll be down there anyway, but thanks for the offer!The shitty lining of this Swift scheme, as sort of discussed above, is that she is claiming this is a more just system, one that will reward her fans, but in this case fans are the people who have the most money to spend on her products, but the people with the most disposable time and income were never the people who had trouble getting tickets in the first place.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:55 (eight years ago)
:D
― mh, Monday, 28 August 2017 21:58 (eight years ago)
lol @ "I would like to be excluded from this narrative"
― sleeve, Monday, 28 August 2017 22:27 (eight years ago)
xxp but where only money or connections got you tix before, there will apparently be activities to boost your progress bar that will not require money.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 22:31 (eight years ago)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vShCqrZiK_0/hqdefault.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 August 2017 22:34 (eight years ago)
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), 29. august 2017 00:31 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Did you read the explanations? The free alternatives are capped. You can only watch the video five times a day, and it won't really give that much of a boost anyway, while you can buy as many sweatshirts as you want, and get a boost every time. It's designed for exploitation.
― Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 22:41 (eight years ago)
There's a limited amount of tickets, and yeah, in theory you can get in line with doing free stuff, but it's not as effective as forking over extra extra cash, so guess who will get the good tickets?
― Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 22:44 (eight years ago)
so they aren't weighted 1:1. it's still an option you didn't have before. now get to work!
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 22:45 (eight years ago)
so it is just an improvement and not perfect
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 22:46 (eight years ago)
have you descended into madness?
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 August 2017 22:52 (eight years ago)
The option before was to prove you weren't a bot through sms...
― Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)
these are systems solving two different problems
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 22:56 (eight years ago)
What problem do you think is being solved? There's no improvement here, it's taking solutions that were being worked out, and turning them into an exploitative machine aimed at the fans.
― Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 22:58 (eight years ago)
an exploitative machine aimed at fans that just can't help themselves from buying shit
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 23:06 (eight years ago)
(also it is incrementally better. you are just the bernie bro of ticket sales systems.)
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 23:07 (eight years ago)
What is wrong with you?
― Frederik B, Monday, 28 August 2017 23:08 (eight years ago)
https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Mr-Krabs-Blur-Meme.jpg
― flappy bird, Monday, 28 August 2017 23:11 (eight years ago)
xp eh, I am not trying to be too harsh here, Fred, as we are talking about taylor swift concert ticket dispersal systems.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 23:20 (eight years ago)
and you can marvel at how grumpy i've become but this shit is maddening:"the CD costs $60""the CD costs $15""you must pay $60 to guarantee getting it on release day""you can buy it in stores on release day""but that might not boost my progress bar""you can buy it on itunes on release day and boost your progress bar""i want a CD that costs $15 or less and is available on release day and boosts my progress bar""you sound like a ridiculous human being with v specific consumerist desires that you expect to be fulfilled, but it looks like you can buy it at target on release day and then enter a code on her website to boost your progress bar."
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 August 2017 23:30 (eight years ago)
how much is taylor paying you
― j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:09 (eight years ago)
You mean how many points?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:10 (eight years ago)
Do you think if there were a clothing alteration shop called Swift Tailor she would sue them? How about Tailor: Swift.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:12 (eight years ago)
i'm only half-following this but i'm sure someone has mentioned that amazon can send you new releases so they arrive on their release day if you preorder for free (or prime shipping at worst) which makes any defense of express shipping an album via ups for $$$ completely absurd.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:14 (eight years ago)
taylor is paying me in pupusas (from a shop, Swift Pupusas, which she acquired in a lawsuit)
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:18 (eight years ago)
her commercials have her in a bathtub full of pupusas (which is pretty rad for snack iconography)
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:25 (eight years ago)
god bless the pupUSA
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:44 (eight years ago)
Man, if Swift sold pupusas I would be so there (for points, at least). That's creeping toward Shakira country, though, so there might be some beefing.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:12 (eight years ago)
only victims are the actual fans who buy a bunch of merch they can’t afford and still don’t get good concert tickets, imo
people who paid a shitload to scalpers, or as they’re known today in the era where stubhub and its peers are owned by ticketmaster/etc, “resellers” will still be rich and capable of paying for resold tickets. some of those tickets will be from people who bought merch on this pay for access treadmill, so the money makes it way back to the artist/merch people instead of being pure scalper profit
the private booths, VIP areas that are venue-owned, will keep scamming. this isn’t a huge change in the concert tickets game, it’s just a different gaming of it, and it’s not a system contrived by Taylor Swift’s people!
the pupusas are delicious
― mh, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:18 (eight years ago)
I should say only *new* victims, the real people who are losing out are the fans of artists who can’t afford tickets because the prices are out of control, while some seats are left empty because the system doesn’t care if seats are filled, only tickets sold
they’re as screwed as they’ve always been
― mh, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:19 (eight years ago)
She's the biggest pop star in the world. this will be a lot of fans.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:24 (eight years ago)
imo the only solution is playing venues with only general admission tickets, and letting people who are short, kids, or need to be seated at the front, followed by people in order of height so they can all see
― mh, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:27 (eight years ago)
I was doing some math and I realized the vast majority of people in the world, billions, will be locked out of seeing Taylor, let alone snagging good seats. Taylor Swift, if you are reading this, make this right!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:29 (eight years ago)
by my math she could squeeze in a couple shows in the evening per day by hopping on a jet outside the venue and flying enough time zones west to do another 7pm show
― mh, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:31 (eight years ago)
Or just build a giant Earth-sized stadium.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 01:41 (eight years ago)
Josh's ardent defense of Swift's Ivory Tower obliviousness is bizarre. She is the biggest pop star in the world: she has a responsibility to use that power in a benevolent or, at the very least, benign way. It can't be repeated enough that Swift has said nothing about Trump, Black Lives Matter, equal rights, marches, protest. Beyonce uses her power. So does Kanye. Plenty of musicians with young fans setting very good examples right now. To see Swift emerge for the first time in the Trump era with this stale schtick and repulsive self-referential meta-thing is so disappointing. I really like her pop records. Exploiting your fans and having absolutely NOTHING to talk about but yourself is fucked up.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:00 (eight years ago)
Um.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:03 (eight years ago)
You got the wrong guy, I'm innocent, there are witnesses.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:04 (eight years ago)
yup
― sleeve, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:04 (eight years ago)
flappy bird has opened my eyes. i ate the red pupusa.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:19 (eight years ago)
Tay practices proper security culture, and always masks up before engaging in protest.
― voyou, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:47 (eight years ago)
Beyonce uses her power. So does Kanye.
lol
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:57 (eight years ago)
Kanye and Taylor are basically mirrors of each other at this point
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:58 (eight years ago)
i wonder if she's taken one look at what Katy Perry is doing and gone "nah.. "
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/22/23/3D8B76FA00000578-4250766-image-a-36_1487807325664.jpg
― piscesx, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:58 (eight years ago)