pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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I have a feeling that Forever Changes will win this poll. The Velvet Underground seem like the other obvious contenders but they are more likely suffer from split voting. Personally I'd like to see Scott 4 win.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:37 (six years ago) link

I thought we did a good job making an interesting list with this: http://www.spin.com/2013/03/best-100-albums-1960s-sixties-alternative-list?amp=1

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link

did someone already post "A Beer for Every Beatles Album"?

https://oct.co/essays/beer-every-beatles-album?utm_source=p4k

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link

heh, no, but i kind of referenced it upthread. honestly i think that fell in the so bad it's good category, i read it all the way through

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:49 (six years ago) link

Equally boring. A truly interesting experiment would be making Pfork writers review the 200 most popular albums 1960-69.

most popular as in best selling? (which I guess would include lots of original cast albums and easy listening and stuff?) that does sound more interesting than a canonical list.

soref, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:52 (six years ago) link

Song Cycle is overrated as hell.

― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin)

yeah that is a p annoying record

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flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link

wow that beatles beer thing, best music writing 2017

brimstead, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link

the #1 album of the 1960s will be something that can be paired with a delicious dogfish head 90 minute IPA, accompanied by a write-up explaining how the author's first time drinking that beer coincided with a time of renewed appreciation for the album, plus a pun in one of the song titles that relates to something about the brewery

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nomar, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:41 (six years ago) link

According to Dogfish founder and president Sam Calagione, the ale is "the ultimate partner for chili or spicy curry chicken" and best enjoyed "sipped cool, not cold, from a snifter or red wine glass while listening to the Bitches Brew album."

nomar, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:43 (six years ago) link

hahahaha

i think i've ran across the bitches brew beer before, but didn't realize it was a dogfish joint

hey, i woudn't be mad at bitches brew at #1, though that would never happen

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link

full disclosure, we have a bottle of that stashed away

nomar, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link

Bitches Brew beer is amazing tbh

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 02:53 (six years ago) link

“you gotta here [sic] this one”:

http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-200-best-albums-of-the-1960s/

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:38 (six years ago) link

Shit, cat.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:27 (six years ago) link

i'm skimmed through 200-140, and i'm liking it so far! this stretch is heavy on the jazz, and it touches on some of my old faves as well as some i've been meaning to listen to but forgot about. looking forward to reading the rest tomorrow.

you gotta here this

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:27 (six years ago) link

top 10 p dull

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yeah, but the 69204234-2342340987234091240987123409871234098712340987324098712304987123409817234098127340981274098712340981340987123409871230498712345876540918p273410746571-2093586390457twtth time you read a list of best 60s albums it's hard to surprise anyone

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 07:29 (six years ago) link

the #1 album of the 60 is Spirit of the Golden Juice

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 07:30 (six years ago) link

In a Silent Way is 8 spots too low. Forever Changes not even in top 20.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 08:04 (six years ago) link

Excellent font choice, I will say that.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 08:18 (six years ago) link

I am also surprised at the ascension of In A Silent Way towards the position Best Jazz Album of the 1960s. Is it primarily held in these terms in a rock context?

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 08:23 (six years ago) link

Yes.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 10:25 (six years ago) link

Anyway, awesome list. I already have at least 30 albums I want to hear and I don't know where to start.

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 10:30 (six years ago) link

The top of the list is not all that distinct from a typical canonical list, though the order is slightly different and there are a few jazz albums sprinkled in

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 11:34 (six years ago) link

The interesting stuff is always between 101-200 tho

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 11:34 (six years ago) link

Agree about the font choice, love it. Does anyone know what it's called?

I'm v. happy to see not one but three Nina Simone records, including my favourite album of hers at no. 5!

mthrn, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 11:55 (six years ago) link

Breakdown of albums per year:

1960: 6
1961: 4
1962: 6
1963: 12
1964: 15
1965: 19
1966: 19
1967: 23
1968: 39
1969: 57

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 11:57 (six years ago) link

which font, the cooper black?

nxd, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:07 (six years ago) link

Hmm. A few albums I've never heard, a couple I've never heard of, a few from artists I've never thought of as album artists. Few real surprises (if any) in the top 50. Seems like a fine list. Definitely harder to peruse than the '60s song list, since each paragraph sends you running (mentally or physically) toward a much bigger time investment than a three minute pop nugget. I'll be happy to spend some days revisiting/downloading some of this stuff when the kids are back in school.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:26 (six years ago) link

In a Silent Way is gorgeous, deserves all the praise it gets, an album that sort of created it's own little world and doesn't feel categorizing it as rock or jazz is an activity that is worthwhile

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:30 (six years ago) link

In a Silent Way was inevitable, but I've never really loved it. Nefertiti is a much, much better record, so seeing it on the list made me happy.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 12:43 (six years ago) link

inevitable?

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link

my fav album of all time (out to lunch) getting to no. 15 was a nice surprise

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:13 (six years ago) link

inevitable?

On this list, given Pitchfork's whole "yeah, we understand jazz now" thing of the last few years? Yeah, inevitable.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link

It was inevitably gonna place ninth in a 60s album list, as foretold by the great prophets

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link

Can I just say I'm completely gobsmacked that Black Christ of the Andes made the list? Whatever comes next (I'm still going through it) is forgiven.

Also, I'm so happy Brad did the First Take writeup. <3

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:05 (six years ago) link

Except for The Shaggs. Are we still pretending this is good?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link

Can I just say I'm completely gobsmacked that Black Christ of the Andes made the list

i am so thrilled

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link

I was going to ask, does anyone still listen to that Shaggs album?

jmm, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link

Yup, Black Christ of the Andes is so so great, and it feels good to see it recognized. Also Mickey Newbury's Looks Like Rain.

Overall a pretty good list. They picked the wrong Soft Machine and Laura Nyro albums though. Kind of funny to see Amon Duul II's Phallus Dei and Judy Collins' Wildflowers butting up against each other.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link

In A Silent Way directly influenced more rock(ish) stuff, but most of the hip jazz cats I know love it. Really, at some point in the last 20 years or so, Miles' fusion era stuff did kind of become canon for jazz dudes. Not all jazz dudes certainly, but the ones who might, for example, be listening to a lot of non jazz as well. eg hard to imagine the guys in the Bad Plus not loving IASW.

just browsed thru the 60s list, seemed ok to me, as far as big statement lists go? Will never care about Van Morrison, but happy white album ended up being the highest Beatles. Over time, it's probably the one I've played the most.

Dominique, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link

Fairport is the biggest omission I see, but 1969 is probably represented enough as it is.

jmm, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link

i mean there are a lot of jazz records on this list but i'm slightly bummed by the total absence of wayne shorter's speak no evil

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link

Fairport is the biggest omission I see, but 1969 is probably represented enough as it is.

Pentangle too. Though it was nice to see Shirley and Dolly Collins' Anthems in Eden representing Brit folk.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link

sort of hate quibbling about these things, but sandy denny is really getting neglected by these lists — first that NPR list, now this. inconceivable!

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link

In a list of 200 records, they definitely could've left Arthur off and let the other two Kinks records speak for themselves. Not that Arthur is a bad record, but I feel like it stole a spot it didn't deserve.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link

Also, as far as 60s Stones albums that aren't Let It Bleed go, Between the Buttons is my go-to. Not sure if I have any strong feelings about it being excluded, but it's better than Aftermath.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link

Seeing Dusty In Memphis in the top 20 was a nice surprise. I thought it would place somewhere, but not that high.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link

Song Cycle at #93, not bad.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link

Several of these albums are better known for a few key songs/singles, not necessarily known for being key albums, as such. I've never heard them, but are, say, the LPs here by Wilson Pickett, Shangri-Las, Link Wray, Tammy Wynette, Patsy Cline or Roy Orbison (for example) particularly good albums, or do they succeed mostly by dint of the artists/geniuses involved? Like, are there better Roy Orbison albums than others, or are they all good, because it's Roy Orbison, just some have better/better known singles than others?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link


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