defend the indefensible: Hall and Oates

and that single bombed in 1987

this live performance sounds better than the og

yeah I don't religiously watch it or anything but live from daryls house is a good show, it's great to see him shoot the shit with randos and enthuse about songs/albums/artists

i just watched the Cheap Trick episode

daryl sings this strange high harmony on the Surrender chorus & you can tell Robyn wants to just go "DUDE. WTF"

i love how loose he is, no fussing, let's play!

Is he into surprising?

xp yeah daryl def has to put his imprint on the track, he rarely hangs back. works way more often than not.

Dude's a studio pro. He should've done more session work.

The episode with the O'Jays coming in all skeptical and then just jamming as the penny drops is excellent.

the Chromeo episode is one of my favs, i cant go for that with a talk box >>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOE1-2Fza5Q

One of my colleagues looks like a female 0ates

ow can you even hate Hall & Oates

― DDD, Friday, January 31, 2014 10:33 AM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pretty fucken easily.

What kind of person clicks on a thread about an artist they hate?

fun haters
communists

It's personal, I'm sure

I was thinking 'asshole' but the other suggestions are good too.

I've never seen them in person but I've probably seen almost all LfDH (web, pre-restaurant, and post-restaurant); a few taped shows, the Darryl Big Interview, and a thing where he was on Fallon and Jimmy sang little snippets of all his favorite H&O choonz.

There are times when Darryl's Darrylness gets to be a bit cornball. But on balance the music, and commitment to connoisseurship, makes it okay.

There was one show where someone was like, "He was going all over the place and I thought it was because he didn't know the melody, so I sat down and tried to teach it to him, and he was like 'Naw, man, I know the song - I'm just takin' it to Philadelphia.'"

H&O classic 4evs. What I heard of John solo acoustic I Did Not Love. But due to their classicness I forgive everything, including John shaving his lip.

"Radio" ftw

omg that Chromeo clip was fkn awesome :D

hot shit

anyone hear what happened that caused the postponement of the rest of the tour? there was a 'family emergency' in Tears for Fears camp; rumors they have cancelled; Roland Orzabal deleted his twitter account, and no one saying anything.

yeah idk

backup singer carina round was super-duper pregnant when i saw them the other night & i initially wondered if it was something to do with that but yeah, no idea

she's fine, she's still on FB. she's due in a month or something I believe. it was something to do with curt or roland. curt posted on twitter

https://twitter.com/curtsmith?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

If i had to morbidly guess, it would be that something happened to Orzabal's wife or children.

oh that link didn't do anything

I am home. I know there are many questions, but I ask that you respect the privacy of those affected at this time. Much love ❤️ pic.twitter.com/5kWTVJbZDy

— Curt Smith (@curtsmith) July 26, 2017

:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc0Gp-jX-Wk

hah i just watched that. wish there were more than 3 examples with a title like "every hit song".

saw the Behind the Music on them recently and it was pretty good. they seem like real down to Earth dudes, maybe even a little embarassed at the kitsch, but all about the music. seeing Daryl Hall plink away funky lines on his home keyboard kinda brings these larger than life pop hits down to Earth. and lol at John Oates being like "I'm not regrowing a mustache because of some stupid internet cartoon"

lol @ 'indefensible.' i know this thread was started 14 years ago, but still- got one of their 2xLP greatest hits comps for my birthday late last year, and it's just unimpeachable. Speaks for itself. a funny memory- just a month earlier, my cousin got married, and after they exchanged vows & kissed, a Hall & Oates song came over the PA, and my dad and I looked at each other like "what the fuck?" because we were sure it was "Rich Girl." I forgot how similar the intros of that song and "You Make My Dreams Come True" are.

the first minute of "I Can't Go For That" is pop alchemy, stands in rarefied air

I interviewed Darryl in the summer of 2001 (forgive me if I've mentioned this before), and he was dead serious about the music (as he should be, their music is GRATE), but when I asked him about if they indulged in the naughty stuff of their era he was like, "Come on man, you saw the clothes we wore back then, of course we did drugs"

"Private Eyes" is possibly the most upbeat, endearing songs about coke paranoia ever.

Their hippitude/marketability is only deepening - I just heard "War Baby Son of Zorro" at Warby Parker.

Heard "I Can't Go for That" at Sprouts recently. Had trouble holding still.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_University

And the last photo on the page is Hall & Oates.

― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, June 11, 2017 7:55 AM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The point being that it is such a Philadelphia thing. My father, my brother and I already went to Temple.

So, this thread was started in 2004... has the whole poptimism movement shifted the definition of 'indefensible' in the intervening 14 years?
I just can't see someone starting this thread in 2018.

But lots of people thought H&O were defensible in 2004, 1994, and 1984.

OP was very much out of sync with ILM tastes iirc

yes

the 21st century revival of hall and oates had already started by at least 2003 iirc because this was when i got into them and i didn't get into them because i was deep diving for 80s pop, i definitely encountered them in pop culture/hearing their songs incidentally in my life

IIRC the motion was famous and globally successful > dormant but not unloved > respected and sampled > loved unapologetically.

Both Daryl and John played it pretty well in their own ways. D. himself is now almost overexposed, and sometimes verges on cornball. But the body of work is unimpeachable.

On that pestilential Righteous Bros cover.

never cared much for the original

Impeccable pitch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeAkYS9WqrM&fbclid=IwAR3pPuYDmF-XOzQf5XJiRFLLKLdSxmWmmqB2MELDe0pirmBkLqPaJv6-C7M

link appears broken

works for me, unless you meant it is broken because it's missing the backing track. one of my go-to songs at karaoke

Let's try it again:

https://youtu.be/AeAkYS9WqrM

Nice.

I don't think I ever heard Method of Modern of Love on the radio. What a shame

"Adult Education" fuckin' rocks. There's nothing wrong with Hall & Oates, apart from John Oates' mustache.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, January 2, 2004 2:04 AM (fifteen years ago)

I hope you were caught up in a wave of reckless abandon from early days of ILX and have since then recanted your opinion regarding Oates’ mustache.

don't trash the 'stache

In retrospect, Oates looks way better *WITH* the stache than without.

Lyrics to ‘Adult Education’ seem a bit crepey in retrospect - what exactly is going on in that song?