first side of trick is the best shit on earth
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
and then side two has the title track and the percussion-tastic 'Los Endos' ...
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
Hi, Brad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtL_Ko2KNQ
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
Of the ones I listen to:Lamb >> Selling England By the Pound > Nursery Cryme = Foxtrot
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
"home by the sea" is the fuckin best
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:24 (six years ago) link
The Lamb Lies Down on BroadwaySelling England by the PoundFoxtrotWind & WutheringA Trick of the TailNursery CrymeAbacaband my familiarity with the albums gets hazy after that. I will listen to everything if there's a poll coming up.
― jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link
The Gabriel albums captured my heart at a formative age so I can't really be objective about them.
― jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is often cited as the pinnacle of early Genesis, but I'm not really convinced that it is. While it certainly contains more music than any other Genesis studio album, there's portions of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway that strike me as being a bit dull, and the band seem to be lacking in energy throughout - consequently, the whole thing ends up being a bit of a slog for me, even though the album has several highlights. I find the plot of the record to be a bit silly, too. A Trick of the Tail, although it captures a band in crisis due to their lead vocalist leaving, also captures a band that are re-energised and are into what they're doing.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:16 (six years ago) link
First half of Lamb is great, second half more ... nebulous.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 03:25 (six years ago) link
i love basically every part of the lamb
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:30 (six years ago) link
i'll acknowledge that the first half is basically perfect and that the second half is maybe a little more unsolid but that's as far as i'll go
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:31 (six years ago) link
The plot's no sillier than Supper's Ready, Battle of Epping Forest, other tracks where Peter is the main lyricist. I love the music and so embrace the goofiness.
I do think including the prose version of the story was a bad idea though.
― jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:59 (six years ago) link
I can ignore the lyrics on 'Supper's Ready' completely, but 'The Battle of Epping Forest', which has some nice musical parts, is far from my favourite Genesis epic.
The relative lack of energy (the title track, for example, has always felt like it needs to be a touch faster and more aggressive) and a little too much meandering padding are bigger issues for me on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway than the lyrics, fwiw.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 8 July 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link
^^^^
Will admit to not even knowing what the plot is, despite having listened to this many times. A road trip favourite for me.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
invisible touch is the best genesis album. not a single bad song on it.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
It's about Peter Gabriel wishing Bob Fosse had directed him on stage singing "On Broadway."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
xpost
alfred otm
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:39 (six years ago) link
essentially the wall of death falls over new york city and rael meets some wacky characters and then a bird steals his penis iirc
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
I only really listen to Nursery Cryme and Trespass, think that caught them at a great juncture. & the live sets from around teh time.& then disown the rest of their catalogue.Just got a lotof their early BBC stuff from a Demonoid torrent. But picked up the 2008 remasters when they happened, also Foxtrot which I didn't get into much.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
2008 remasters are controversial. Some vocals/instruments mixed down, some mixed way up, iirc.
Sometimes the first half of "Lamb" is my favorite, sometimes "Abacab," sometimes sometimes "Trick of the Tail," sometimes even "Invisible Touch," but never s/t and rarely "Duke" or "And then ..." (for some reason). Usually "Selling England" is my favorite. At the very least, I think "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" is the band's playing apex, and Peter's lyrical peak (in Genesis) as well. Sort of ... proto Morrissey?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link
the remasters are also remixes which is why they're controversial beyond the "steve hoffman forum" sense
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:24 (six years ago) link
dukea trick of the tailinvisible touchgenesisand then there were threefoxtrot abacabthree sides liveselling england by the poundthe lamb lies down on broadway nursery crymewind & wuthering
I think you could guess which Genesis era I grew up in from that list. their prog back catalogue was my first deep dive into an artist, but the gabriel albums never spoke to me as much.I admit to never listening to anything after invisible touch, and I'm not really familiar with anything before Nursery Cryme, so my list is truncated on each side.
― enochroot, Saturday, 8 July 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
On "Selling" and "Lamb" in particular, even "Trick" and "Wind," I find it remarkable how well Phil's drums in particular are recorded. They just sound great. They always do, too, especially ironic for a guy who helped invent the sound of '80s drums.
Until I read his book I never knew much about his pre-Genesis stuff. Like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBYib_Pko8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG2lvssEzo
Or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPOqAHN4T9c^written and sung by Phil c. 1968
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
Like a few others here on ILM, i've been running up-and-down their catalog -- seems like i've been listening to nothing else for the last week. Lots of treats buoyed on the back of both decades of reflection and fresh ears. Side note; why "Squonk" wasn't a single, i'll never understand; the title alone?
Faves in two camps:
Trespass from Gabriel-eraDuke from Collins-era
― bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 8 July 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
This is lovely. Adore the ToTT and WaW period Genesis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Y1L2aFt8M&t=0s
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wraejmyAK5w
Let's try that again: https://youtu.be/x5Y1L2aFt8M
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
is it weird of me to say that i don't think of genesis as an album band? they sounded great when everything came together, but a lot of the time it didn't.
i recall reading a story from the first half of the 20th century that reminded me of the pre-"supper's ready" story printed on the inside of "live". it was only a couple weeks ago but i don't remember what it was exactly. sometimes i think peter gabriel's song introductions were the best part of his era of genesis. few things are more painful than listening to phil collins trying to replicate that style on the '76 tour.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:09 (six years ago) link
I saw The Musical Box a couple of years ago, and not only were they awesome (at the time they had a balding left-handed drummer who even sang like Phil!), but their singer nailed replicating the weird Pete intros.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
This one has the Phil ringer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmLLs4EtMAA
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
Here's a more recent lineup doing all of "Lamb." Apparently Genesis are fans, and lent them their old slides and props:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlX4moDYEmA
Here's a bit of Phil sitting in. He said it was a struggle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWZT0EHKjCk
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 July 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
wind and wutheringa trick of the tailand then there were threeselling england by the poundthe lamb...foxtrotnursery crymeduke
no time for the rest...
― heaven parker (anagram), Saturday, 8 July 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
The only track I'd take off of The Lamb is Ravine, which does feel like a pointless meander at that point in the album. The other instrumentals are solid.
There's a bunch of live Waiting Rooms on Youtube. Genesis would have made a killer krautrock band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmeyb8bX4Uo
― jmm, Saturday, 8 July 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
there's a great 12-minute rehearsal jam on "fly on a windshield" floating around out there (not on youtube that i can find or i'd link it). kind of reminds me of embryo for whatever reason.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 July 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
I don't really know their discography very well, but I don't anything is going to top Foxtrot for me, so that's probably why. Supper's Ready has the cutest lyrics of all time.
― tangenttangent, Saturday, 8 July 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
human bacon
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 July 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
tangent - you used to write on epinions?
― bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 8 July 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
actually love Ravine. got fond memories of getting the double Lamb CD and skipping to try and hear The Light Dies Down the second time I played it and getting Ravine by mistake and it scaring the crap out of me. The one album they did where there's this actual undeniable undercurrent of menace to it, simliar to The White Album
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 9 July 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link
yeah i love "ravine" too. lot of harrowing empty space in the second half of the lamb
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 9 July 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
as much as I enjoy the post-Gabriel era(s), the creepy nastiness which peaked on the Lamb all but disappeared
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 9 July 2017 01:32 (six years ago) link
Ravine gives Peter time to change out of the Slipperman costume I guess.
― jmm, Sunday, 9 July 2017 02:13 (six years ago) link
The menace made it onto Gabriel's first few solo albums. Moribund the Burgermeister is pretty Lamb-like, and there's scary shit on Melt and Security — especially in the German, which gives something like Not One of Us a vaguely fascist undertone. It was all gone, though, by So, and I don't think he's ever recaptured it. Most of Up is just kind of lamely overwrought.
― dinnerboat, Sunday, 9 July 2017 03:44 (six years ago) link
Will have to give the german versions a listen but had never previously felt the need to. Always found the first two solo albums a bit lacking
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 9 July 2017 11:19 (six years ago) link
"This is the Picture" (and "We Do What We're Told" - originally intended for PG3?) is sort of menacing, "Mercy Street" is definitely spooky.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 July 2017 12:43 (six years ago) link
On "Selling" and "Lamb" in particular, even "Trick" and "Wind," I find it remarkable how well Phil's drums in particular are recorded. They just sound great.
The drums on A Trick of the Tail sound incredible - in fact of all the Genesis records, that's my favourite sounding of them all - particularly the remaster. Duke comes very close, though.
I don't really like the way The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway sounds... it's a bit muffled and monochromatic, I think.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
Trying to give And Then There Were Three a serious shot, but I can't really get into the songwriting on that album. Follow You Follow Me has a simplicity and freshness.
― jmm, Sunday, 9 July 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
invisible touch is the best genesis album. not a single bad song on it.― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, July 8, 2017 1:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, July 8, 2017 1:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree that there's not a single bad song on it!
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link
First Response Hall of Fame: This is the POLL We Live In: Genesis - Invisible Touch
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 July 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
Some dude's "bald Thriller" comment re: Invisible Touch couldn't have been more otm, imo!
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link