*scales fall from eyes*
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
The last couple days, both here and in the Trump thread, have been educational.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
I've said this before but Nathan East is the muthaflippin MAN.
Oh and I highly recommend NOT watching the Dan Rather Phil Collins "Big Interview." Not because of Phil Being Phil - that was going to happen nevertheless - but because Rather's questions are vacuous in the extreme.
I am a print-era journalist-type creature; I have never really followed TV news d00dz. But I'd vaguely assumed that because Rather had a career that was tangentially related to journalism, he might have at least picked up some pointers on the way. Like, do some research into your subject beforehand. But no.
Rather, Rather* appears to have been handed a half-dozen index cards by a 23-year-old intern who had glanced through Wikipedia half an hour before. Not only was it evident that he had no exposure to Collins's music apart from "famous guy who sang some Disney themes." Further, Rather appeared to be only vaguely familiar with rock music, let alone the life of a rock musician of global stature.
He lurches from goofy inanities like "Really? Drummers get injuries? I never thought of that." to vague abstract shit like "I think we have enough rapport that I can ask, 'who ARE you,' I mean, as a man and as a person?"
* = see what I did there?
― gin and chronic (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
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― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
I think a lot of the hate Collins gets/got in the media was in part because he was infinitely more visible than Tony, infinitely more successful, but also a class thing - Phil's the oik trying too hard to impress, Tony's the snidey cunt at boarding school cutting everyone else down to size. Kind of feel a lot of journos, etc, in the 70s/80s would have identified more with Tony than Phil, though this is just conjecture.
There's that great quote from Tony, where supposedly at a Genesis reunion table featuring obscure and famous members, raised his glass and said something like "well, we managed to fire you all!" I think it was Steve Hackett who shared that one.
― PaulTMA, Friday, 7 July 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
Banks in that BBC doc speaking of Phil:
"“He was our friend – we wanted him to do well. But you didn’t want him to do that well!"
― dinnerboat, Friday, 7 July 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
I hate it when someone who can play/write the kind of beautiful passages that Banks has is also a raging twat.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 7 July 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
I like to think that he's just deeply socially awkward when it comes to presenting himself publicly.
It must be that alone.
― PaulTMA, Friday, 7 July 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
voted "turn it on again" but kinda surprised "duke's travels" only got one vote
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 July 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
Collins's drumming has always been melodic and hooky. It's something Bill Bruford doesn't quite capture on Seconds Out.― dinnerboat
― dinnerboat
Agreed; i'll take Chester Thompson any day.
― bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 7 July 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
I don't really know what the UK music press (NME/Melody Maker/Smash Hits) line was on Collins' albums during the '80s... I'm guessing the NME and Melody Maker disliked Collins, Smash Hits were a little more keen and Q Magazine keener still. Strictly talking during the '80s here, of course.
I can understand people disliking Collins' solo stuff... but he had a lot of personal shit thrown at him from not just the music press, but from the tabloids and even Genesis' own fans.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
Any criticisms one has with '80s Genesis can and should be assigned collectively. But as a solo artist Phil had nowhere to hide. Heart on sleeve lyrics and a hammy stage persona didn't help him.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
I love 'Invisible Touch' (the song) but can't watch the video for it.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
Many references to the '80s hit factory that Collins provided for himself, Genesis and others; none of them hold a candle to Gabriel's So (which is more soulful, arty, and funkier than anything from the aforementioned). Apples and oranges, i know...
― bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 7 July 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
Phil's heart-on-sleeve lyrics are pretty effective, tho - Against All Odds is the utopian ideal of self-pitying "You fucked me over" ballads, with implied "I got my own back though, I killed myself" chaser
― Shanty Brunch (stevie), Saturday, 8 July 2017 07:29 (six years ago) link
how the fuck did man of our times get zero votes
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
I've probably listened to this album > 50 times, including a few times just this month. But after glancing at the poll results, I couldn't bring to mind the song "Heathaze" (which got 3 votes, and is repped several times in this thread).So finally I went to youtube and brought it up. And I'm still not sure I've ever heard this song before in my life.
― enochroot, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
You must feel like an alien — a stranger, in an alien land.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 05:32 (five years ago) link
I love that song. As a very I*N*T*E*N*S*E 10yo Genesis obsessive it inspired me to write a very bad short story about a cowboy environmentalist on a horse who travelled from city to city sabotaging nuclear power plants.
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 10:32 (five years ago) link
I pray that the story is never discovered.
how the fuck did man of our times get zero votes― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:08 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:08 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM! It sounds like a long lost Gary Numan track (well, it would if it wasn't for that Banksian twiddly keyboard lick that pops up from time to time) ...
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
man of our times is epic! could fit on the lamb even.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
This album is a revelation. Soulful Phil vs Prog
― calstars, Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:44 (three years ago) link
It's way better than And Then There Were Three
― fish quits shock (Matt #2), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:49 (three years ago) link
I think I posted on a different Genesis thread that this is really the best of both Genesis worlds.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
yeah I really fell in love with this album this year, picked it up on vinyl for cheap on a whim
so good
such a weird record
like you couldn't be a band that made a record like this unless you'd already been one type of band and were turning into another type of band
but you couldn't start out or end up being a band like this (on duke and also abacab)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 00:02 (three years ago) link
yes
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link
omg i forgot i made this poll
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 00:08 (three years ago) link
Please don’t ask is so cringey, Phil exposing his feelings too much !
― calstars, Monday, 11 January 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
I just listened to it for the first time and "Please Don't Ask" was the easy standout for me. I hate "Misunderstanding" tbh
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 03:06 (three years ago) link
"Misunderstanding" has such great, simple drums.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 January 2021 03:36 (three years ago) link
Phil is amazing, so much range as a drummer. so few were with his insane chops would do that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
Misunderstanding is post-Gabriel Genesis doing Supertramp yet I still love it.
― fish quits shock (Matt #2), Monday, 11 January 2021 10:29 (three years ago) link
Duchess is so amazing. Recommend me electronic music that sounds like the first two minutes of Duchess (esp the Three Sides Live version)
― SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 11:23 (three years ago) link
I think I had the CD long box of this on my wall back when I would save them as posters.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Monday, 11 January 2021 12:53 (three years ago) link
XP - Maybe the first couple of OMD albums or some Monoton?
― Maresn3st, Monday, 11 January 2021 13:03 (three years ago) link
This album was a great disappointment to me after ATTWT, which is still one of my favourite Genesis albums. The songs that go to make up the Duke suite are excellent, but it was a real failure of nerve not to put them together as they should have been. Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask are just dross and should have been saved for Collins's solo albums, where they would have fit much better. The problem was that both Banks and Rutherford had just made excellent solo albums and had used up all of their best material on those. This was the beginning of the end for my many years of Genesis fandom. Sad!
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
"Genesis' Duke . . . anybody remember that album. Genesis' Duke. You're no ATTWT, one of the great Genesis albums. . . The Duke suite . . . songs are excellent, but they were such losers not to put them together as they should have been. Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask were Very Bad! Banks and Rutherford used up all of their best material. Duke! More like Duchess! This was the beginning of the end for my many years of Genesis fandom. Sad!"
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
vg :)
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link
In its original form, "Behind the Lines", "Duchess", "Guide Vocal", "Turn It On Again", "Duke's Travels", and "Duke's End" were one 30-minute track that told a story of a fictional character named Albert which had a working title of "Duke". The group chose this name because the fanfare melodies on "Behind the Lines" and "Duke's End" conjured an image of royalty.[16] The band decided against sequencing the tracks this way on the album, partly to avoid comparisons to their 23-minute track "Supper's Ready" from Foxtrot, but also to have certain segments of the suite, such as "Duchess" and "Turn It On Again", released as singles.
― fish quits shock (Matt #2), Monday, 11 January 2021 13:33 (three years ago) link
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― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 January 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
yeah that nails Misundestanding tbh
― SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
xxxxpost thanks maresnest!
They did roll the Duke songs together on the 1980 tour, with some introductory context - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5tt-TboWaQ
― Maresn3st, Monday, 11 January 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:08 AM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 January 2021 14:52 (three years ago) link
as a pre-tween Genesis obsessive I used to wonder if they cribbed Tonight Tonight Tonight off that refrain within the verses of Man Of Our Times
― SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SDFG SF (stevie), Monday, 11 January 2021 15:04 (three years ago) link
one thing that's cool about streaming is that it just took me like 5 minutes and now i'm listening to duke's suite as a playlist interesting to hear how it flows
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 January 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
as a big fan of the full abacab suite they edited down into "dodo/lurker," i'm sympathetic to ppl who think the duke suite should've all run together. however... "turn it on again" being isolated so they could release it as a single was totally the correct choice
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 January 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
This album was a great disappointment to me after ATTWT, which is still one of my favourite Genesis albums.
I might have to have another listen then, I think Duke is great and never remember a single thing about ATTWT besides the final track
― frogbs, Monday, 11 January 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
ATTWT usually seems to be one of their least popular albums among fans and the band themseleves, definitely of their 70s output, reckoning they hadn't yet found their feet without Hackett. It was the one album I missed out on 30-ish years ago, so approached it with fresh ears and other than the weak Ballad Of Big, I don't really get the criticism - it sounds at once like the 'debut album' of the hit-making group and the swansong for their more traditional prog sound.
― PaulTMA, Monday, 11 January 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link