I remember it.
...and why? Because the US was dumb enough to buy truckloads of Bush records and we weren't? ;)
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to younew board descrip
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
I personally thought we Brits were OTM by not buying millions of copies of Ten ...
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
very much so
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
Brits had p good taste in grunge and grunge-era American rock iirc - Nirvana, Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link
Soundgarden's Superunknown and Down On The Upside were both Top 10 LP's here!
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
And here I thought I could turn this place into the Steve Hoffman Forums - pearls before swine, I tell ya.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
Re-watching the 1987 tv documentary It Was Twenty Years Ago Today, and man, it really contextualizes Pepper like nothing else -- certainly, nothing published about the 50th anniversary -- has been able to do. Regardless of one's feelings about the music, this would be my go-to for anyone asking what the big deal was. Allen Ginsberg, Abbie Hoffman, David Crosby, Peter Fonda, a Dutch anarchist, a couple of draft-dodgers, Barry Miles, some California commune-dwellers...they're all here!
(most of it is in youtube in chunks)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 23:42 (seven years ago) link
Whoops, I was wrong. Crosby's not in it. But Ed Sanders is.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:40 (seven years ago) link
sorry to break up all your grunge talk but could someone tell me if the mono mix and master is the same or no?
guess I'll listen to my pirated copy and decide for myself
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link
It's a new transfer, I believe. Same original master as the mono reissues.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:52 (seven years ago) link
Can you hear Paul go, "Thank you, George & Amanda!" at the end of the reprise? That's all I care about.
― pplains, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 02:48 (seven years ago) link
The first half of the pings at the end of "Strawberry Fields" on this "Stereo Mix 2015" thing are inaudible. And some of John's gibberish during the scary outro sounds very different. It's unsettling having those familiar elements changed or removed.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 03:57 (seven years ago) link
xp There's some yelling (Paul I guess, panned to the right) at the end of Reprise that I've never heard before.
When they do the 55th anniversary remix, they should layer the "sugarplum fairy" count off above the outro of Reprise and crank it louder than everything else on the album.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 04:06 (seven years ago) link
john's backing vox on getting better are so funny
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 05:18 (seven years ago) link
Did anyone else have childhood nightmares about the last 30 seconds of Strawberry Fields?
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 05:35 (seven years ago) link
There's two 'Cranberry Sauce's
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 06:39 (seven years ago) link
Oh, and the guitar tweak noise right at the beginning of "Good Morning" isn't 'like' the original mono...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 06:40 (seven years ago) link
I listened to the mono Pepper mix for the first time yesterday. kinda interesting. in general the bass just seems way more prominent. otoh this makes certain things rock harder, esp the reprise.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
listened to this mono master, not different to my ears from the 2009 one, but still good. I was a bit high and listened to it in bed while drifting off to sleep.
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
it's still weird to me that the mono mix is considered the 'approved' one because the beatles supervised it. some things are just better in the stereo mix; like the good morning clucks into the guitar squeal. they really spent more time on this splice on the mono than on the stereo? because it sounds very natural in the stereo mix and sloppy in the mono
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
yeah I definitely noticed that. for a record I know so well it was the obvious changes that stood out and almost all of those had to do with tape editing - the cluck/guitar squeal, the placement of audience sounds, the vocal effect on Lucy.
but yeah idk if it's really "better"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
They did.
Because it sounds like an additional sqawk.
They ran the tape slow for a fraction of a second, then sped it up to normal. On purpose.
They didn't do that on the original stereo, the new stereo, I don't know the new mono.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
Xpost, obv,
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
new mono is the same as old mono; it's not a mono remix, it's just a remaster
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
So, it'll have the squark then.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
Australian Broadcasting Corporation just did some good interviews with Geoff Emerick and Richard Lush that are up on Youtube. I think it was the Lush one where he talks about how they did a lot of their mix planning without even knowing they would be doing a stereo mix after, so they had to try to remember how they did certain things when they were asked to do the stereo.
― timellison, Thursday, 1 June 2017 00:07 (seven years ago) link
I think both of them much prefer the mono.
― timellison, Thursday, 1 June 2017 00:08 (seven years ago) link
Way late to this, but just wanted to chime in with my love for the doc Tarfumes mentioned up thread. I watched the hell out of that as an impressionable 12 year old.
― Moodles, Thursday, 1 June 2017 00:12 (seven years ago) link
One thing that strikes me watching it now is how upbeat George seems, at least relative to his general glumness through the Anthology. There's nary a hint of any negative feelings about Sgt Pepper, while in Anthology he basically says it was no fun.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 00:26 (seven years ago) link
Really digging Giles Martin's new mixes *except* for "Penny Lane". Somehow it's lost it's psychedelic powah in this new mix. The outtakes for PL are wonderful, though as are most of the rest (though still don't care much for "Mr Kite" and now really love "Rita").
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 1 June 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
Re-watching the 1987 tv documentary It Was Twenty Years Ago Today
Is this the one that starts out with the title track, and all the figures on the album cover start rocking back and forth in cutting-edge 1987 cardboard animation?
― pplains, Thursday, 1 June 2017 01:24 (seven years ago) link
Yep, that's the one. They later used that same animation in Anthology.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 02:17 (seven years ago) link
Ha, I'd wondered where that was from!
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 June 2017 04:55 (seven years ago) link
The 'Good Morning Good Morning' transition into the reprise of the title track is more jarring on the mono version, agreed. You can hear the tape edit, whereas it's smoother on the stereo edition.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 1 June 2017 06:33 (seven years ago) link
xp I agree that George did seem rather upbeat about the era. It's a strange documentary, I didn't really think they actually managed to make any real connection between the Beatles making Sgt. Pepper and the American counterculture other than it being a soundtrack, but it does get loads of good contributions in it, most notably Derek Taylor.
Also love that animation with the cardboard heads. Feels canonically Beatlesy for some reason.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 1 June 2017 08:06 (seven years ago) link
is that documentary on youtube or something ?
*except* for "Penny Lane". Somehow it's lost it's psychedelic powah in this new mix.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 June 2017 08:21 (seven years ago) link
I enjoyed the one disc of outtakes, yeah I'd like to hear the other outtakes particularly the SFF take 1 mixed properly, but yeah not for £100
― Mark G, Thursday, 1 June 2017 08:46 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ARMRFoLcBU
― piscesx, Thursday, 1 June 2017 09:59 (seven years ago) link
the book looks like some crappy rush job thing. posters look good. not 100 quid's worth of good like.
― piscesx, Thursday, 1 June 2017 10:00 (seven years ago) link
definitely.I'm only interested in the rest of the outtakes and the mono remaster. and I can live without these !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 June 2017 10:04 (seven years ago) link
Parts of it are, yes:
https://youtu.be/HWriMsTALF4?list=PL6208F5F8D1A8868F
The aforementioned animated sequence is missing. The documentary starts with Allen Ginsberg talking briefly about each track, with cutaways relating to said track. The doc on youtube is missing some of these, and opens with one such cutaway to musicologist Wilfred Mellers singing "She's Leaving Home." He appears later in the doc to talk about it more in depth.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 13:56 (seven years ago) link
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, June 1, 2017 4:06 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I remember not liking it much at the time, but mainly because I wanted more "when we did 'Lucy In The Sky,' Ringo put this tea-towel on that drum and then we all got super baked" kind of stuff. Now, I want less of that. We know all the stories, and they're good stories, but what's missing from most of the 50th anniversary retrospective pieces is any measure of contextualization. That is, Abbie Hoffman and Ed Sanders don't talk about Sgt. Pepper much, but they're essential to understanding its significance in its time.
As for George, he hadn't put out a record since 1982 (Cloud Nine was still months away). It had likely been years since he'd done a filmed interview, and he hadn't yet been subject to the endless repetition of the same questions to the degree that Paul had (but Paul never seemed to mind). By the time Anthology rolled around, he'd done tons of interviews and seemed sick of it.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 14:11 (seven years ago) link
isn't that doc what's in the box set? also PBS is running a doc this weekend; maybe the same one?
― akm, Thursday, 1 June 2017 14:14 (seven years ago) link
re: penny lane remix. I wish he'd been balsy and just put the horn over the ending. it's a remix after all, why not do something different.
― akm, Thursday, 1 June 2017 14:15 (seven years ago) link
Ah, that's the alternate "Capitol" version, on the "super" version, right?
― Mark G, Thursday, 1 June 2017 14:22 (seven years ago) link
I haven't seen the doc in the box, but I believe that one is from 1992. The PBS doc appears to be new, and (based on the trailer) much more about the Beatles and the record than about 1967.
xp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2017 14:23 (seven years ago) link
OK I've watched the parts available on youtube. Most of it was in the Anthology, though (but not some of the contemporary interviews).
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 June 2017 14:39 (seven years ago) link
I quite like Derek Taylor's tie-in book that accompanied the doc...talks about the album in the context of 1967 as a whole, with reminiscences of folks like Roger McGuinn, Sir Joseph Lockwood, Ed Sanders talking about the march on the Pentagon (happened on the day I was born), etc
― Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
I remember watching that doc on PBS when it originally aired, but it felt like a pale shadow of the superior Compleat Beatles to me
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 15:36 (seven years ago) link