well the generally accepted critical consensus is often wrong. or at best reductive, oversimplified. since I'm almost 60 yo most of this isn't history. no question the disco backlash was racist AND misogynist. but as a practicing critic in the early 90s I recall grunge being celebrated as a return of rock rather than a vanquishing of "bubblegum pop" (small but significant distinction) while the Beatles didn't become an established canonical group they established the canon! there's a difference. that said, as a card-carrying baby boomer (though not an AARP card) I could care less about Sgt Pepper, remixed or whatever.
fwiw I've never encountered this writer or URL before.
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
like, besides some throwaway sentence ends ("hip-hop’s dominance of the pop charts that continues to this day" is the exact opposite of what is happening on the pop charts today), most of it -- the disco backlash being tinged with if not rooted in racism and misogyny, grunge being celebrated by critics for removing bubblegum pop from the zeitgeist, the Beatles' trajectory from proto-boy band to established canonical group -- seems as if it would be recognized for the generally accepted critical consensus that it is if people weren't conditioned to have a negative response to the byline and URL
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 1:46 PM (five minutes ago)
yes, it is possible for a piece of written work to draw broadly from widely-accepted theory and still make its points lazily. this pretty much describes any marcotte essay i've ever read (and i've hate-read a lot of them)
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
hair metal = bubbliest of gum
― The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
katherine, there are so many factually inaccurate and insulting things in here that it goes well beyond "ho-hum just another day where a politically blogger rehashes the critical consensus"
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
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yeah exactly. bubblegum kinda disappeared until the Spice Girls kicked off the new new pop millennium iirc
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
Exactly. Marcotte is a bad and lazy thinker no matter what subject she's attempting to tackle.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
Like, for starters, Highway 61 Revisited released in 1965 and the entire rock-critical discourse of Marcus et al; or that the whole whimsical psychedelia thing came up in a scene dominated by women like Grace Slick and Janis Joplin; or that house music isn't "girlish," it was made for and by gay black men; and that women are actually the thought leaders in "pretentious" art and avant-garde music right now and reducing women listeners to yepper yepper carly rae jepper stereotypes is ugly
Oh no, am i doing a sexism? actually actually not all men
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
the whole article is dumb. i don't care who wrote it. and this is the dumbest: "Disco is classic girl music — or, more accurately, music for girls and gay men."
people who say or write stuff like that shouldn't be taken seriously. probably a trump voter.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
The soundtracks to both “Guardians of the Galaxy” movies, made up of pop classics by artists like Fleetwood Mac and the Jackson 5, are darlings not just of audiences but critics as well.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
bernie would have beatles 1
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
amanda marcotte writes troll thinkpieces for salon, she once criticized bernie sanders for supporting the sandinistas over the contras and it was p clear from the context she had just found out about both of those things
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I wasn't aware of Rob Sheffield's book, but judging from the excerpt on Rolling Stone it seems to fit squarely in the books for RS readers who live for lists of greatest rock bands and yet more books and articles about said bands?
AM's piece seems kind of a drive-by challops take, this "what's hot in the news I can have a take on" school of blogging
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
there's a difference in targeting between writers who can probably describe what hairstyle each of the beatles had at any given time versus a salon blog giving a lukewarm take that's semi-topical
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
its no big deal that its a dumb article. finding something good to read on the internet is hard enough. finding something good to read about the friggin' beatles? could take you years.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
imo just reading wikipedia and then coming up with some ideas is a good way to blog
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
hoo boy I just read AM's wiki entry. somebody should do her a favor and edit in some good stuff
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
"women listen to records like THIS" is a generalization that needs to be stated with a lot more care than this piece did.
― maura, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
I'm just personally going to reserve my outrage for things like the 100th "poptimism is bad and ruining music, writing and everything" piece by an established, secure writer than for mostly unremarkable pieces like this
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
also, calling a feminist writer a Trump voter is pretty ...
that was a joke. i don't know who the writer is. will never read them again if i can help it. i only read stuff like that when people here are talking about it.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
re-reading my post I'm probably (unintentionally) guilty of mansplaining...
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
i just meant that it was dumb like trump. that's all. but perfect for the trump era, i suppose....stereotypes, generalizations, poorly thought out arguments...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but my takeaway is that 'girls' who don't prefer 'girly' music implicitly suffer from some form of Stockholm syndrome. Totally inoffensive and 'unremarkable.'
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
iirc amanda marcotte was one of the ppl who thought democrats should root for trump b/c he'd be easier to beat in november
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
fwiw I loved "Rio" inordinately then, and I love it inordinately now
― leprechaundriac (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
every day is Rio day
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
the central thesis of *people ruin everything* is, as always, on the money though.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte Feb 16The notion that there’s any meaningful difference between Perez and Ellison was created by drama addicts stoking their martyr complexes.
Amanda Marcotte @AmandaMarcotte Feb 16It's honestly dumber than people who used to make New Order v. Joy Division a thing. THEY ARE THE SAME BAND GET OVER YOURSELVES.
― salthigh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
C+ trolling
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
― salthigh, Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true tbh
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
Curti Bros
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
Alfred I'm shocked, SHOCKED
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
lukewarm takes, delivered regularly, to your door
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:05 (seven years ago) link
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:25 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:45 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes, yes she was, and then proceeded to blame not campaigning in wisconsin, having the wrong candidate for this time and virtually every other legitimate hilldog campaign problem on bernie bros
― royce jung (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
i honestly don't know if marcotte is a troll who believes in next to nothing a la amanda palmer or if she actually /is/ as milquetoast a liberal as one could possibly be, but it hardly matters because she sounds like a fucking idiot
― royce jung (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
why are there so many public trolls named amanda ;_;
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:32 (seven years ago) link
take my hand, I'll make you understand
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
confirmation bias imo
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link
2 is too many
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
I WANNA DO A LITTLE STRUTAS YOU WIGGLE YOUR FIRM BUTT
AMANDA
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Sorry, wrong thread.
gross
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
o_O
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
Little known Beatles tune
― Evan, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
i have been harassed in this fashion since the late '80s :-/
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
You'll hate the Boston thread, then!
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
if it's full of sexist jokes at the expense of amandas, i already do
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
not sure in what world responding to someone's comment about jerks sharing their first name being disheartening with actual harassment is a good idea
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
i don't want to derail this thread but i do wish to express that amanda jokes are gross and not funny like say video gaaaaaaaames jokes
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
xxpost:
This world, in which the comment was blatantly not aimed at the person whining about harrassment and was merely riffing on a thread which has been on this forum for... ooh, four years now and has offended absolutely nobody. But then, this is ILX where people, bless 'em, always get oversensitive, so... y'know, business as usual!
(If anyone hasn't read that thread, it's basically everyone taking the piss out of the Boston song 'Amanda' ... I appreciate it may not be funny if you're actually called Amanda, but I assume that most people on the planet with that name who recognise the song actually realise the song isn't directly about them.)
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link