Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Extermination Squad
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 12:43 (seven years ago) link
why the fuck would you call it Sgt. Pepper?
because making it a possessive without a subject just sounds fucking weird and wrong, mainly
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 12:54 (seven years ago) link
also would you mind stepping out into the street for a moment, i have something to show you *cocks pistol*
no thanks. after what happened in Portland, I'm steering clear of armed zealots
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
'Highway 61 Revisited' came out two years earlier and
*gagged and dragged off by mansplaining police*
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:10 (seven years ago) link
does Dylan get lady points for introducing hip swinging rhythms to folk music?
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:20 (seven years ago) link
I think the thing I like most about the article is that it robs women of the agency to be pretentious!
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:30 (seven years ago) link
― President Keyes, Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:20 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Funny, just reading positively 4th Street and it sounds like Richard Farina is more responsible for that. Maybe Dylan was exponentially more popular though, but that seems to be a couple of years later.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link
But Dylan got the grief for it at the Newport Folk and Mansplainsinging Festival
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:35 (seven years ago) link
P sure that piece wins.
― Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:55 (seven years ago) link
Is there any actual evidence that women did not buy Sgt Pepper btw?
― Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:50 (seven years ago) link
Tina Turner and Nina Simone were planning on covering post-Peppers Beatles songs but instead decided to stay home and dance alone in their apartments to Robyn
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:56 (seven years ago) link
i get as excited about amanda marcotte articles as i do about jason whitlock articles, which is saying something!
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:56 (seven years ago) link
yeah, it's pretty well-established that, of sgt pepperses' 32 million copies sold, only twelve of them were to women
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:57 (seven years ago) link
but every one of those women went out and published a #hottake of their own as a result
What wing of the military was Sgt. Pepper in and did they even allow woman cadets?
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:58 (seven years ago) link
sgt pepper didn't actually hold a rank - 'sergeant' was just his first name
billy shears was a four-star general tho iirc
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link
@scott_tobias A stupid Amanda Marcotte take. Well now I've seen everything.— Slammin Bod Jeb Lund (@Mobute) May 30, 2017
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link
while I think people dragging A.M. tend to come off pretty gross this is the most legit problem with this article imo: it's rank essentialism. this is a broader problem w/in "I LIKE POP. YES THERE I SAID IT, CAN YOU BELIEVE HOW TRANSGRESSIVE I AM TO LIKE POP, ALL YOU HEGEMONIC ROCKISTS" discourse imo
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
it's the kind of piece you might write if you've only heard of rock essentialist writing and decided to make some weird points that other people probably wrote about in ways that make sense
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
Beyond the title track and “Lucy in the Sky with the Diamonds,” there’s very little on the record that makes a lady want to shake her hips on the dance floor.
upbeat dance classic lucy in the sky with diamonds
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
I am not a lady but when I was a child listening to this album on endless repeat, the song I danced to the most was "Within You Without You"
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
guys Lucy is a lady
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
“Sgt. Pepper’s” was the point when rock stopped being the music of girls and started being the music of men five year old children.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
beatles just chilling around trying to figure out what the unsexiest outfits would be
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
I really don't see the difference between this and some of what's in the latest Rob Sheffield book that everyone was falling over themselves about, except perhaps that one was a book and one was an essay pegged to an anniversary, with accompanying research time.
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
you can't link to a book
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
like, besides some throwaway sentence ends ("hip-hop’s dominance of the pop charts that continues to this day" is the exact opposite of what is happening on the pop charts today), most of it -- the disco backlash being tinged with if not rooted in racism and misogyny, grunge being celebrated by critics for removing bubblegum pop from the zeitgeist, the Beatles' trajectory from proto-boy band to established canonical group -- seems as if it would be recognized for the generally accepted critical consensus that it is if people weren't conditioned to have a negative response to the byline and URL
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
she completely left out racism re: disco
which confused me more than anything
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
<i>Look at disco, for instance. Disco is classic girl music — or, more accurately, music for girls and gay men. Those things, <b>along with some barely concealed racial resentment,</b> were among the biggest reasons that disco was so demonized and despised by so many straight white men of the 1970s.</i>
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
it kind of reads as if she independently discovered that critical consensus but didn't quite have all the pieces, despite music journalism churning out similar articles for decades?
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
fuck
follow the markup yourself
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
oh duh, sorry
maybe it just felt weird as an aside?
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
I seem to remember critics celebrating grunge spelling the commercial end of hair metal rather than for slaying Duran Duran.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
well the generally accepted critical consensus is often wrong. or at best reductive, oversimplified. since I'm almost 60 yo most of this isn't history. no question the disco backlash was racist AND misogynist. but as a practicing critic in the early 90s I recall grunge being celebrated as a return of rock rather than a vanquishing of "bubblegum pop" (small but significant distinction) while the Beatles didn't become an established canonical group they established the canon! there's a difference. that said, as a card-carrying baby boomer (though not an AARP card) I could care less about Sgt Pepper, remixed or whatever.
fwiw I've never encountered this writer or URL before.
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 1:46 PM (five minutes ago)
yes, it is possible for a piece of written work to draw broadly from widely-accepted theory and still make its points lazily. this pretty much describes any marcotte essay i've ever read (and i've hate-read a lot of them)
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
hair metal = bubbliest of gum
― The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
katherine, there are so many factually inaccurate and insulting things in here that it goes well beyond "ho-hum just another day where a politically blogger rehashes the critical consensus"
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
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yeah exactly. bubblegum kinda disappeared until the Spice Girls kicked off the new new pop millennium iirc
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
Exactly. Marcotte is a bad and lazy thinker no matter what subject she's attempting to tackle.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
Like, for starters, Highway 61 Revisited released in 1965 and the entire rock-critical discourse of Marcus et al; or that the whole whimsical psychedelia thing came up in a scene dominated by women like Grace Slick and Janis Joplin; or that house music isn't "girlish," it was made for and by gay black men; and that women are actually the thought leaders in "pretentious" art and avant-garde music right now and reducing women listeners to yepper yepper carly rae jepper stereotypes is ugly
Oh no, am i doing a sexism? actually actually not all men
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
the whole article is dumb. i don't care who wrote it. and this is the dumbest: "Disco is classic girl music — or, more accurately, music for girls and gay men."
people who say or write stuff like that shouldn't be taken seriously. probably a trump voter.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
The soundtracks to both “Guardians of the Galaxy” movies, made up of pop classics by artists like Fleetwood Mac and the Jackson 5, are darlings not just of audiences but critics as well.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
bernie would have beatles 1
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
amanda marcotte writes troll thinkpieces for salon, she once criticized bernie sanders for supporting the sandinistas over the contras and it was p clear from the context she had just found out about both of those things
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
I wasn't aware of Rob Sheffield's book, but judging from the excerpt on Rolling Stone it seems to fit squarely in the books for RS readers who live for lists of greatest rock bands and yet more books and articles about said bands?
AM's piece seems kind of a drive-by challops take, this "what's hot in the news I can have a take on" school of blogging
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
there's a difference in targeting between writers who can probably describe what hairstyle each of the beatles had at any given time versus a salon blog giving a lukewarm take that's semi-topical
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
its no big deal that its a dumb article. finding something good to read on the internet is hard enough. finding something good to read about the friggin' beatles? could take you years.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link