What Is Rockism ?

Hey everybody, come on, Robert Pollard just enjoyed his 93rd Magnet cover feature, rock is clearly alive and well

sorry, forgot about Imagine Dragons

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:58 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if you're not attached to some dumb alternative rock nation idea that rock bands need to be popular or relevant or "cool" or whatever, yes there are more interesting rock band album than i can find time to listen to, also fyi heavy metal is rock music so judging by that thread there's like 5 albums a week worth checking out

i'm listening to this new slowdive album it's great!

i finally bought sheer mag EPs i-iii off bandcamp that's great!

have their been any good articles explicitly about poptimism that weren't responses to other bad articles about it

Save your Jute Gyte posts for I Love Gaming or whatever, we're talking about pop music

basically, every reference to "poptimism" could be replaced with "celebrity fandom" and be more accurate, or accurate at all.

(a lot of this is related to Top 40 radio's relative lack of said celebrities. huge number of factors there, but the result is a weird inverted looking glass, where someone like Shawn Mendes or Meghan Trainor is viewed as more disposable because they primarily are known for music)

Also, Harry Styles just made a rock record, come on, katherine

Save your Jute Gyte posts for I Love Gaming or whatever, we're talking about pop music

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:02 PM (thirty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't post to ilg and who or what is jute gyte?

i want to know about the best rock records of recent vintage because i feel like i miss them. i mean i like Big Thief, does that count?

the new oxbow is incredible

jute gyte are like a less commerical take on yowie

ah, popism

this is close enough to ed sheeran to qualify as pop under whatever definition of pop this thread is working off now imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uD6s-X3590

now i'm listening jute gyte is p intense

Whiney OTM.

i know people talk a big game about "poptimism" but outside of trans women who like carly rae jepsen i don't really run into a lot of it

poptimism for me kinda meant it was "safe" to like actually good pop music or guilty pleasure type shit that was actually well crafted but idk. also that it was safe to say that such music was better than acclaimed music like Wilco or whatever.

that's all it was ^^^

I can imagine this said in the voice of Peter Fonda in The Limey.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LqqfBlJaT58/T-RwnukPY3I/AAAAAAAAADc/dh6y7GJqG6w/s1600/1The+Limey.1999.DVDRip.XviD-VLiS.gif

xxp given the source this is unsurprising, and it probably was a response, but tom ewing had written something, which I now cannot find for the life of me, about 20 ways of writing about pop music

this?

http://pitchfork.com/features/poptimist/7848-poptimist-32/

i think for all everyone moans about feeling pressured to like certain pop music, i've never felt more pressure than when i was told that the greatest album in forever was Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and after some initial straining to like it as much as Being There or whatever all i heard was an understandable business decision by Warner Bros.

not that one, it was more recent

there's something about making (wholly unsubstantiated) claims that poptimists are somehow "as bad as" rockists that reminds me of people who are really upset about reverse racism. yeah i'm sure spoon and muse are the victims of outrageous amounts of disrespect from poptimists, totally.

i think it's similar in that after years of lots of people just writing and talking about and praising nothing but rock music, suddenly people who do the same for pop is a bridge too far.

For that analogy to make sense to me, I'd have to be able to believe that 'pop music' was the object of years of slavery, segregation, and oppression at the hands of 'rock music'. xp

https://media2.giphy.com/media/rUMEf0ZDHamwE/giphy.gif

There's so much music out there yet all we talk about is [insert genre(s) here].

there's something about making (wholly unsubstantiated) claims that poptimists are somehow "as bad as" rockists that reminds me of people who are really upset about reverse racism. yeah i'm sure spoon and muse are the victims of outrageous amounts of disrespect from poptimists, totally.

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:19 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's actually more like poptimists=white conservative pundits who ignore the fact that their "side" controls the entire government and most of the economy but like, some dude's speaking engagement at a small private college in connecticut got canceled

ever since the british invasion "rock music" has been more or less overtly defined as music by and for white men.

UMS OTM

i mean as far as i know taylor swift isn't _actually_ alt-right

again, read what i actually posted. it's not saying pop music is alt right.

yah i know i'm just saying it's like i don't think rhianna or future are sitting around giving a shit that somebody at rate your music thinks muse is way better.

pop music is not oppressed in any way, it's more popular and successful and well known than like wilco or whatever

worrying about real estate getting a better review than pop music is like "oh no they had to take down a statute of jesus in dayton ohio"

this argument is so fucking stupid

dudes

there are tonnes of rockers
writing tunes with guitars
performing to a small base
playing the local art space

theyll never leave the scene
wont appear on yr fave zine
you can go see them rock out
dressed punk, nerdy or drugged out

but the best thing is
you can have a brewskie
and be all cheeky

"how can we make this already-rapidly-losing-all-remaining-coherence concept more coherent?" "I know, let's make analogies to 2017 politics"

it has produced literally no good writing on any kind of music

snrub just otm-ed whiney, which i think shd make us all look p fucking hard at ourselves

i drove across the country last month and occasionally turned on the radio to see what was going on there. a lot of country music out in kansas, a lot of "classic rock" out in kansas. not a lot of pop music. there may be two or three people at the top of the charts getting paid, but you don't actually have a better chance of "making it" as a pop musician than you do as a rock musician. the idea that contemporary pop music is some insuperable and dominant cultural force because rihanna has a navy or whatever, i'm not really buying it.

will ponder this one a while:

there's no fucking rock bands any more. The end.

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, May 11, 2017 10:48 AM (forty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Can we at least agree that pop is currently the default and therefore dominant paradigm?

What do the music critics in Kansas write about?

the monoculture is dead

ever since the british invasion "rock music" has been more or less overtly defined as music by and for white men.

I mean, way before the British Invasion, the 'pop' charts were overtly distinct from the 'race' (later R&B) and 'hillbilly' (later country and Western) charts. I just looked up a bunch of random Billboard year-end charts from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and they're all topped by white people.

xp

killed by insecticides

oh come on, try setting foot in a kansas middle or high school (actually, please don't, but) and then talk about there not being a lot of pop music

it's like framing any response to anything this way instantly injects a fvckton of unprocessable garbage into yr brain, whether yr k-punk or lord custos

kind of amazed nobody here has brought up Miley's MOR pivot

Mark S also OTM. So Yowie is like a mersh Jute Gyte? I should look into that.

"simultaneously long and under-developed on every point" is pretty much the Quietus's editorial philosophy, it seems to me.

Also, personal anecdote: One of their editors reached out to see if I wanted to review the last Metallica album, but only if I could promise them a negative review. I couldn't, and he got someone who could.