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― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

Alan, you mean.

Och! You're right. Wait, who is Martin Wilder?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

"Cold Life" and "Primental" (the pre-instrumental that would become "I Wanted To Tell Her") are pretty damn great, actually. The vocals are the "worst" part of "Cold Life", although they're really fun to imitate, but the backing music itself is pretty well done funk... better than most A Certain Ratio actually. That slap bass at the beginning is very Larry-Graham-esque. Go Paul Barker! (I'm guessing.)

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

nope, paul didnt join ministry 'til after Twitch IIRC

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Alex: I'm 26 now. The song came out when I was two. I remember a mixtape (probably made several years later) called "Language is a Virus" that had Cold Life, Shreikback, some Laurie Anderson, White Lines and some Devo on it, along with a song called The Machine by the Motor City Mutants that I would kill to find, that my dad made before we moved to Ann Arbor, which means that I was listening to it before I was seven.
That's why a lot of these threads on ILM are hilarious: because they're all about all of these songs that I recognize as childhood memories without a real sense of a lot of it as music. It was just something that was playing in the car on road trips with my family. Later on, I got back into a lot of it, but it's always kinda odd to talk to people who were into it as adults (or at least teens) the first time around.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

where's dad now?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

Getting a doctorate in "cyber rhetoric." (No joke— he looks at how discourse functions in places like online forums). He's mostly retreated into being a jazz head, although he really enjoys the Plunderphonics and Boomselect sort of stuff. He can go off about the "recombinant culture" too.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

places like... this?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

has he seen the noise board?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

aw man!

NOIZE DAD!

Bring
it
on

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

i wonder what the phrase "language is a virus" had on you as a child.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

what effect.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, places like this. Though I don't think he's gotten around to coming here yet... I keep trying to lure him in with the YSI threads, but I'm not sure he thinks he has time for it. He posts on Metafilter and a board called Music Abominations (which is mostly about jazz).
(As far as "language is a virus," I think I've just kinda accepted it as a truism... Certainly left me as a Laurie Anderson fan).

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

various lines from this have stuck in my head over the past couple weeks. "burning pictures of me head to toe HEY!" and "we went through the window, quiet as a mouse" being two i can't shake for some reason.

also, i'm surprised no one mentioned the red cassette case. it was always the easiest tapes to find in the box.

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

we went through the window, quiet as a mouse"

Isn't it "IN through the window...."?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

perhaps, it is. regardless, i like the idea of jourganson being quiet as a mouse.

also, the chick who comes in during "i wanted to tell her" is so freakin 80s. that nasal-ly "you touch me bay-bee" would fit perfectly on an expose album.

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

How'd I miss this thread last month?

Classic, of course.

TKK opening for Ministry would be wonderful, though I saw TKK open for Siouxsie et al around '92, and that was pretty cool.

Hm. What ever happened to Machines of Loving Grace? I saw them open for TKK at Shitty Gardens in maybe '93 or '94 now that I think of it.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

ha! that 'quiet as a mouse' line is the one that always sticks in my head too. thanks to this thread i have listened to 'revenge' about 20 times over the last fortnight.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG

― Dan (BURN LIKE BRILLIANT TRASH) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

The best thing is that maybe 10 minutes after I made that post "The Richest Junkie Still Alive" popped up on shuffle from my iPod. I didn't even remember I had Gilt in here.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Gilt was really underrated when it came out. A lot of people thought there was gonna be another Jackie's Funeral, but it was pretty damn solid as a cohesive piece. I think I listen to it more than anything else (aside from All I Really Need's swearing mix, which is fun to put on tapes).

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

I saw MLG open for Peter Murphy back in 1992. Good times.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

I saw Ministry at Comiskey park back in July of '83 at this huge show:

http://www.police.cybercomm.nl/pictures/s19830723.jpg

I finally picked up a bunch of the Ministry stuff that Wax Trax was selling, after this show, including the Special Affect LP.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

(Btw, Simple Minds for some reason didn't play that show, which is why Ministry got the nod. At the time, Ministry were not a well known commodity in Chicago at all.)

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

People are talking about Machines of Loving Grace and they never get love :) How can people still listen to old NIN albums and not those guys?

― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

wow -- sting AND al jourgeson on the same stage in the same venue at the same time. i'm amazed that the universe didn't implode.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

Maybe MoLG need their own thread.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

i'm not an F-A-G

― Eisbaer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

Some of my friends went to see them tonight. I kinda wish I had gone, I listened to them a lot when I was younger.

― circa1916, Sunday, 27 April 2008 06:28 (eighteen years ago)

Still a brilliant record.

― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 April 2008 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

their best moment!

― cutty, Sunday, 27 April 2008 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not an F-A-G

never occurred to me that it could be heard that way but you are right

― akm, Sunday, 27 April 2008 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

A cougar is more like a kitten than it is like a velociraptor but that doesn't mean it would make an appropriate pet for a four-year-old.

-- The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:42 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

heh

― latebloomer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

http://cdn.channel.aol.com/amgmusic/artists/pic200/drp000/p082/p08248g85s1.jpg

― Romeo Jones, Sunday, 27 April 2008 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

the corridor, yes the corridor

― latebloomer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

― Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 29 January 2009 23:20 (seventeen years ago)

YES THE CORRIDOR

― cutty, Thursday, 29 January 2009 23:53 (seventeen years ago)

FAR BELOW, FAR BELOW, FAR BELOW IS THE PLACE YOU'LL GO, HO!

― Alex in NYC, Friday, 30 January 2009 01:53 (seventeen years ago)

i'm loving al jourgeson's adam ant haircut/earring.

― Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:23 (seventeen years ago)

Whatever happened to the Other Guy in Ministry circa With Sympathy?

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:33 (seventeen years ago)

Al was on a VH1 Classic show ("Hangin' With", I think) where he was playing videos by his band and bands that he liked, and he actually played the above video, so I guess he's at peace with his hilarious past.

― Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:49 (seventeen years ago)

You're assuming that he wasn't hilarious after that.

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:55 (seventeen years ago)

Yes, but he was hilarious in a different way.

― Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 23:10 (seventeen years ago)

[cue Butthead's impression from the "NWO" video]

― Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 23:11 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

this fuckin record

― pretzel walrus, Friday, 31 July 2009 06:45 (sixteen years ago)

so great

― pretzel walrus, Friday, 31 July 2009 06:45 (sixteen years ago)

really?! must investigate.

― daria, actually (daria-g), Friday, 31 July 2009 07:00 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

You've got to work for your new role as the Boston Globe business editor

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2013 20:01 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

CLASSIC!

― Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 15:32 (ten years ago)

Is it wrong that I actually prefer this album to everything that Jourgensen did afterwards? Taken on its own terms, I think this is a wonderful record. Not only does it slot in nicely with early '80s UK synthpop, it actually manages to hold its own in comparison to the best of the stuff that was happening in the genre at that time. Wonderful stuff.

― Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 18:40 (ten years ago)

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